119: WeMoney Dan Jovevski

In episode 119 of Fintech Chatter Podcast, Dexter Cousins is joined by Dan Jovevski, CEO and founder of WeMoney.

About WeMoney

WeMoney is a social financial wellness platform aimed at helping people achieve their financial goals.

Since starting in 2020 WeMoney has built a strong community of users and has more than 300,000 downloads. And in 2021 WeMoney won the coveted People's Choice Award for Emerging Fintech at the Finnies Awards.

This week they announced an AU$7m capital raise to help scale the business and develop new products.

About Dan Jovevski

Dan is a second-time founder, having founded, scaled and exited his first FinTech - SwitchMyLoan.com.au back in 2016.

Dan shares some of his secrets on building a purpose/community-led Fintech. A little tip, it takes more than just a Discord group 😉

Dexter asks Dan about the experience the second time around and what he has done differently. They also discuss a recent trip to the US and the key differences between launching a FIntech in Aus vs North America.

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About Tier One People

Founded by Dexter Cousins in 2016, Tier One People is on a mission to help Australia become the world leader in Fintech innovation.

Tier One People helps companies like Revolut, TrueLayer and 10x build founding teams for launch in Australia. 

And series A+ / ASX Listed Aussie Fintech like Lendi, Afterpay and 86 400 hire executive talent capable of delivering growth and scale. If you are building a world-class Fintech venture and need help in hiring tier-one people contact us

Is Australia's Tech Talent Shortage Over?

Tier One People founder Dexter Cousins was recently asked by Startup Daily to share his thoughts on Australia's Tech talent shortage.

Originally published on Startup Daily

Ask any founder their top three challenges, and talent is likely to feature amongst them.

Record low unemployment, closed international borders, the great resignation, remote workers, soaring salaries and a global skills shortage have created the most complex talent crisis in the modern era.

Many business leaders I speak to feel helpless right now. But could things be about to change?

I’m a recruitment veteran. I’ve recruited through the dotcom crash and the GFC. I should have recruited through my third crash in 2020. Now all the indicators suggest we are headed for a global recession in 2022.

What makes me so confident? Whilst we are not technically in a recession, every major economic downturn I’ve seen has been preceded by a red hot talent market. 

1999-00 My phone and fax never stopped! Then the tech wreck happened. Ice cold jobs market.

2007-08 Everyone wanted to work at an investment bank for triple their salary and got it. The GFC hit. Ice cold jobs market.

2020-22 Has been the hottest talent market on record! I never thought I would see a day when people would refuse to work in an office two days per week. Or entry-level developers would be paid $150,000. Yet here we are.

Talent markets are like any other market. Price is determined by supply and demand.

If the market gets inflated too much it creates a bubble. Then the bubble bursts.

Is there a tech talent bubble?

Let me take you back to March 2020. The markets tanked 30%, the world shut its borders and went into lockdown as a global pandemic put us all on red alert. Australia soared to 9% unemployment in a month! Businesses shut and we faced the greatest economic crisis of our lifetime.

The only way for most businesses to operate and survive during the lockdown was to go fully digital. Some were prepared for it, but most weren’t. The demand for tech talent soared, and at the same time borders were shut. For a short time, it looked like the demand for tech talent could be met locally.

Most tech startups had 3 -12 months of cash runway – at one point it looked like we could lose up to 75% of the startup ecosystem.

The government stepped up to provide support and stimulus in Jobkeeper. And by July 2020 the economy was pumping again. Tech valuations soared, Afterpay hit $150 and made the ASX 20. VC poured billions into tech startups. Series A rounds quadrupled. The tech ecosystem was flush with cash.

But the demand for tech talent got greater and greater.

The cashed-up tech companies smelt blood and aggressively poached talent from tech startups, offering 30-50% pay increases in some instances.

The large corporates, banks and telcos also targeted talent from startups, offering big salaries to make up for no equity.

The only way for startups to fight back was to offer more money. Or lose experienced staff for less experienced people. The only problem is that salaries rose across the board. Entry-level developers are now earning more than startup founders and leaders.

The tech talent shortage has created the biggest talent bubble in my career. 

The fastest way to solve a talent shortage

Stop hiring.

Don’t want to pay $8 for lettuce? Stop eating lettuce.

Fairly soon you’ll find you can do without and quickly the cost of lettuce is back to $2

The same dynamics work in the talent market.

If 2021 was the year of “Growth at all costs”, then 2022 is the year of “Cut costs at all costs” 

Since the beginning of 2022, we’ve seen Tesla, Paypal, Coinbase, Robinhood, Klarna, and Netflix all make job cuts of 10-20%

We’ve also seen high-profile startups like Fast run out of funding and shut their doors, leaving 300 people without a job.

And as these job cuts are happening, we are now hearing of headcount freezes at Meta, Uber, Lyft, and Twitter with more to follow.

In the US talk of the great resignation is being replaced with talk of a great recession.

Australia often lags behind the US, usually by six months. Over the last two months, I began to hear of staff layoffs at EnvatoBrighteBanxaHealthMatch, Una, Booktopia, Bizpay and other tech startups.

Last week Volt Bank announced it had run out of capital and would close its doors, with 140 employees losing their jobs.

Tech valuations have tanked with some high-profile Aussie tech firms down 90% from 12 months ago.

This puts extraordinary pressure on any business to cut costs and make job cuts. With severe drops in valuation right across the tech sector, it also means capital is drying up.

The sector is not as attractive to investors as it was 12 months ago.

Sure some investors are out there looking for bargains, but with rising interest rates, the appetite for high-risk investments is waning.

And with a global recession on the horizon, investors are in no hurry to rescue companies that may be insolvent in months.

It’s not only startups that are impacted by recessions. Australia’s corporations will implement cost-cutting measures to ensure they deliver shareholder returns.

Historically profits are delivered in a downturn through restructuring (ie cutting headcount) and axing expensive technology projects.

What a recession means for the local talent market

NAB recently announced that 100 tech roles would be offshored to India. The unrealistic salaries demanded by inexperienced developers and engineers may have prompted NAB and many other Australian businesses to hire offshore workers.

Commonwealth Bank employs 4400 software developers. That’s a lot of software developers. Imagine what a 10% headcount reduction does for the local talent market?

According to the Tech Council, there are currently 860,000 Australians employed in the tech sector.

A 10% cut across the industry over the next 3 months means 86,000 people looking for a job. 

It’s now a global tech talent market

Even if Australia avoids a recession, it’s likely the US and Europe will not.

Now that borders have opened up we once again have the option of hiring international talent. Australia is a very attractive proposition for tech talent. The tech scene has matured considerably and the lifestyle is unbeatable.

Going back to the lettuce analogy, most founders weren’t prepared to pay $8 per head. Instead, they sought alternative markets and have built strong links to Eastern Europe, India and Asia where highly experienced tech talent can be hired at a 50% discount to a junior developer in Australia.

Early-stage startups have embraced remote working, accessing some of the world’s best engineering and tech talent from the US and UK. It is only a matter of time before large corporates do the same. 

In the last two years, we’ve seen the emergence of platforms making it much simpler from a legal and compliance perspective to hire and pay offshore workers. And while there have been teething problems, as businesses become more accustomed to working remotely, the cost benefits and the ability to access broader talent markets put increasing pressure on the local talent market.

Every time I have experienced a global downturn the talent market has gone from red hot to ice cold in the space of a few months. 

There’s every possibility that the supply/demand ratio which has inflated the talent bubble we find ourselves in could burst very quickly.

Does this mean an end to the talent shortage?

Not quite. Back in 2005 as one of Australia’s first ‘digital’ recruiters, it became very clear that due to the pace of technology innovation the supply/demand metrics would never be balanced.

The reality is that being at the forefront of innovation means using the latest technology. Most education facilities lag behind the demands of commerce and industry. My solution back then is the same as today, indeed, it’s essential today and far more realistic.

Companies MUST change the way they go about identifying and hiring talent. 

When hiring for tech startups our emphasis must shift from hiring people based on programming languages to hiring people based on their propensity to learn new programming languages.

With online learning readily available, people with a strong desire to learn new skills can and do. Successful tech companies are those who consistently identify these traits in people when hiring.

One of the biggest benefits of closed borders this last two years is that Australia has developed a domestic workforce capable of launching and scaling tech startups.

We must harness that IP and pass it on to the next generation of talent. Instead of discarding resumes because a person doesn’t have Kotlin, we need to look at what they’ve accomplished, and what they have built and seek to utilise that experience.

But if we continue the hiring practices that got us here – we’ll just see another talent bubble as soon as the next recovery begins.

The Finnies 2022 Finalists - Emerging Fintech

Emerging Fintech Of The Year

People's Choice Awards 2022

Brought to you by FinTech Australia and Tier One People, People's Choice is the Finnies Award the Fintech community gets to decide.

Now in its 3rd year, the award has quickly become one of the most coveted of the Finnies, as the Fintech community chooses the winner.

Winners are decided by counting unique podcast listens and through a voting system. Previous winners are Cake Equity and WeMoney.

The Finnies, the most prestigious Fintech awards in Australia will be held in Melbourne - 23rd June 2022. The first in-person awards since 2019 is a sold-out event but Tier One People will bring you all of the action through our YouTube channel, make sure to subscribe.

Find out more - Finnies 2022

This Year's Finalists

109: Fundabl, Ethan Singer and David Salkinder

Episode 109 of Fintech Chatter Podcast with Dexter Cousins features Ethan Singer and David Salkinder, Co-Founders of Fundabl - the funding solution with no dilution.



Fundabl helps founders turn their MRR into ARR. They offer software and other subscription-based businesses the ability to convert their monthly subscription payments into a lump sum cash advance. Fundabl simply advances customer contracts for a fixed discount and period. No dilution. No hidden goodies. That’s it!

Founded in Sydney, by a passionate team, they are on a mission to support the Australian start-up ecosystem.

Dexter chats to co-founders Ethan and David on:

- How their solution is changing the game for founders
- The importance of retaining equity whilst scaling a Fintech
- The importance of getting out to market quickly and winning the first client
- Fundabls approach to hiring
- The importance of relationships in a startup
- Shared values and defining the behaviours everyone expects from each other
- The health of the Aussie Fintech startup ecosystem


For more info www.fundabl.com

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107: Betacarbon, Guy Dickinson


Blockchain to empower Australians to tackle carbon emissions.

Episode 107 of Fintech Chatter Podcast with Dexter Cousins features Guy Dickinson, CEO of BetaCarbon.

BetaCarbon is a climate tech start-up at the intersection of environmental impact and blockchain technology.

Their mission is to increase the demand for high-quality Australian carbon credits, in turn bringing new green projects online and accelerating the path to net-zero.

They have created a digital carbon credit (BCAU) that represents 1kg of carbon removed from the atmosphere by quality, monitored green projects.

These digital credits are tokens that can be bought and traded as an investment, like crypto, or can be accumulated and kept to help balance your emissions.

Dexter chats to Guy about:

- The challenges of tokenising Carbon credits
- Empowering every Australian to help reduce carbon emissions
- Leaving the safety of a Big Bank career for a startup
- Embracing and elevating the next generation of talent
- Dealing with regulators in a pioneering asset class

For more info on BetaCarbon https://www.betacarbon.com/

About Tier one People

Founded by Dexter Cousins in 2016, Tier One People is on a mission to help Australia become the world leader in Fintech innovation.

Tier One People helps companies like Revolut, TrueLayer and 10x build founding teams for launch in Australia. 

And series A+ / ASX Listed Aussie Fintech like Lendi, Afterpay and 86 400 hire executive talent capable of delivering growth and scale.

If you are building a world-class Fintech venture and need help in hiring tier-one people, you can reach us info@tieronepeople.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dextercousins/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/dextercousins 

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGyptbH6dnXA26ak8zBe3A

Website: https://tieronepeople.com 

105: Geora, Bridie Ohlsson

Bridie Ohlsson co-founder of Geora joins Dexter Cousins on the Fintech Chatter Podcast

Since 2016, Geora has been the global leader at the junction of blockchain and agriculture. They have worked with customers like CBH Group and Rabobank to deliver global firsts using blockchain technology.

Borne out of the blockchain pilot workstream within Australian agtech leader AgriDigital, Geora helps farmers, agribusinesses and financiers, build technology to increase liquidity and drive sustainable practices along supply chains.

About Bridie.

Fresh out of law school, Bridie landed at the junction of agriculture and blockchain; old versus new. Bridie is fascinated by technology, policy, and human behaviour, and since 2015 she's been applying these passions to build products for our most fundamental global industry, agriculture.

An active member of the Australian National Blockchain Roadmap, Supply Chain working group and Standards Australia Blockchain Technical Committee - Smart Contracts Working Group (IT-041), Bridie regularly speaks on blockchain and agriculture and has lent her expertise to a number of publications. 

She holds a Bachelor of Laws from the University of Sydney and a Bachelor of Arts (French and Politics) studying at both the University of Sydney and Sciences Po, Paris.

Find out about Geora

Find out about Bridie Ohlsson

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94: Senator Andrew Bragg

In episode 94 of Fintech Chatter Podcast Dexter Cousins is joined by Senator Andrew Bragg.

In his first term as an elected official, Senator Bragg was appointed Chair of the Senate Inquiry into Fintech

As Senator Braggs 18 months in the role comes to a close we look back on his time in Fintech.

The inquiry, one of the first in the world, has been a great success leading to real change. Many recommendations in the report were actioned at the last budget.

The way in which Fintech and Government have worked successfully together is a blueprint for the rest of the startup community in Aus.

Senator Braggs support for the industry during Covid-19, especially his pushing for job keeper saved hundreds of jobs.

He's a big believer in the strategic importance of Fintech and shares Tier One People's own mission of making Australia a world-class Fintech innovation hub. Senator Bragg continues to call out for increased competition, standing in our corner against the big banks and superannuation funds.

As his time in the role comes to an end, Senator Bragg has tabled a major discussion on digital assets, believing that Australia can and should lead the way in Blockchain.

Tune in for what turns out to be a really enjoyable chat with a politician who gets stuff done and makes things happen.

To contact Senator Bragg - https://www.andrewbragg.com/

Buy Senator Braggs Book "Bad Egg - How To Fix Super"

Fintech Insider Australia

Our friends at 11:FS approached us recently to help them put together a special show on Australian Fintech.

It was a thrill to finally be asked, having politely and persistently promoted Australian Fintech to David M. Brear, Simon Taylor and the 11:FS crew for four years!

And now it's here, the world's most listened-to Fintech podcast dedicating a whole episode to Australia.

Tune in as David M Brear, Simone Joyce Fintech Australia and Paypa Plane, Matt Baxby from Revolut and Dexter Cousins talk about the huge opportunities in Australia and how the nation is fast becoming a world-class Fintech hub.

92: World Nomads, Simon Monk

In episode 92 of Fintech Chatter Podcast Dexter Cousins is joined by a very special guest, Simon Monk co-founder of World Nomads, Australia’s first Insurtech.

In this new feature show, Dexter interviews a Fintech pioneer from a time before the word even existed.  Guests share their journey and how they launched, scaled and successfully exited a Fintech business when there were no iPhones, no Stripe, no Facebook, no Twitter and no AWS!

Travel has always been a big part of Simon’s life,  he’s been dreaming about what's over the horizon for as long as he can remember. 

Originally from the UK, he trained in design before getting involved in the very early days of the internet 

As an avid traveller, he ended up in Australia, where he founded World Nomads, an online travel insurance service for people who loved travelling and exploring.

After a successful sale of World Nomads to NIB in 2015, Simon has focussed his time on the energy and renewables sector.

Connect with Simon on LinkedIn

A big thank you for your support.

Tier One People has never been busier and we are super grateful for the calibre of clients and talent who continue to approach us after listening to the show.

If you want to show your support, you can subscribe, leave us a review or just tell your friends. It really helps us continue to provide high-quality content for free.

And if you’re a world-class fintech looking for tier-one people reach out to Dexter on Linkedin or email info@tieronepeople.com 

90: Chainlink Labs, Niki Ariyasinghe

In episode 90 of Fintech Chatter Dexter Cousins is joined by Niki Ariyasinghe,  Head of Business Development, Asia-Pacific at Chainlink Labs.

It's been almost 18 months since Niki was last on the show for our Blockchain Special

Chainlink is the industry standard oracle network for powering hybrid smart contracts. 

Managed by a global, decentralized community, Chainlink Labs currently secures billions of dollars in value for smart contracts across decentralized finance (DeFi), insurance, gaming, and other major sectors.

Niki shares his thoughts on Defi and how the technology is poised to bring a revolutionary change to banking and insurance.

There's a discussion on the actual application of the technology such as parametric insurance and their partnership with Marsh, the world's biggest insurance brokerage.

And Niki also shares Chainlink Labs 'remote first' policy on hiring and how it opens up a global talent pool.

For more info or to check out https://chainlinklabs.com/

Or reach out to Niki on LinkedIn

089: Salesforce, Stuart Ward

In episode 89 of Fintech Chatter Dexter Cousins is joined by Stuart Ward, Senior Director for Financial Services and Go-To-Market Strategy for Salesforce.

Salesforce is a global leader in CRM and SAAS. Their customer360 platform and financial services cloud is helping Australia's financial services industry get closer to their customers. 

With more than 2 decades of banking, tech and marketing experience Stuart joins me to share his insights on how Big Tech is playing an ever-growing role in Fintech.

Aussie Fintech Athena, Volt Bank, Frollo partner with Salesforce. And last year Salesforce made a strategic investment in open banking Fintech, Basiq.

Stuart shares his views on what he sees as the BIG opportunities coming from CDR.

For more information on Salesforce: https://www.salesforce.com/au/

Reach out to Stuart on LinkedIn


88: Revolut, Matt Baxby on Fintech Chatter

In episode 88 of Fintech Chatter Podcast Dexter Cousins reconnects with Matt Baxby, Country CEO of Revolut.

Recorded the week after Revolut became the UK's undisputed Fintech leader, Revolut needs no introduction to our listeners.

A MASSIVE Series E raise values Revolut at US $33bn with investors including Tiger and Softbank getting behind the financial super app last week.

Matt Baxby Revolut Australia CEO

It has been 12 months since Matt was last on the show and 18 months since Tier One People placed Matt in the Revolut Australia CEO role.

For Matt, it's been a career-defining experience. Since September he has been acting Global Banking CEO overseeing the launch of new businesses in Australia, India, North America and Asia, giving him a unique perspective on how Fintech is taking off globally.

It takes Tier One People to build world-class Fintech companies.

It has been a record-breaking 12 months for Revolut. Many people thought the global travel restrictions would have crushed Revolut's business model. Instead, they have grown to 16 million customers, launched a stack of new products, and even hit break-even.

The raise makes Revolut more valuable than Natwest Bank. Find out how they've done it and what makes this business so unique in the world of Fintech and digital banking.

Matt talks about his own personal journey from incumbent bank to Fintech rocket ship. And we also get his insights on how to build a high-performing remote-first team, who had never met each other for the first 18 months of operation!

There are some great tips on the hiring process and the skills you need to focus on to deliver long-term success.


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