Dexter Cousins is joined by Steve Weston CEO and Co-Founder of Volt Bank.
It's been a wild ride for Volt, as it has every neo bank! Volt has carved the path for a banking revolution as Australia's first new bank of the millennia and the first 'Neo bank' to be granted a full banking license in Australia.
Tune in for a candid chat with Steve where we talk about the challenges of making the Neo Bank model work. Expect to see Volt hit the market with new consumer products in early 2021 and the Beta savings product is in the market now.
The world has changed and the future of banking is uncertain. Steve shares the Volt 2.0 strategy which sees them partner with Microsoft to provide banking as a service to any business wishing to sell financial products.
It's a strategy that will help Volt scale globally and at an exponential rate.
Impressive partnerships with Salesforce and Paypal in place give Volt bank the opportunity to strike (excuse the pun, totally intended.)
Go to https://www.voltbank.com.au/
Matt Baxby on Scaling Revolut in Australia
In episode 29 of Fintech Chatter Dexter is joined by Matt Baxby, Country CEO for Revolut, one of the worlds fastest growing Fintech.
Matt shares an insider's view of the Rocket Ship that is Revolut. We discuss their unique approach to building a bank,
Matt Baxby on Scaling Revolut in Australia
When we placed Matt Baxby as Revolut's Australia CEO in February 2020, the company had 4 million accounts and 700 employees. Today, Revolut has over 65 million customers, operates in 48 countries, and is valued at $75 billion. In this episode of Fintech Chatter, Matt joins us to break down what it actually looks like inside a company growing at that pace — and what he brought from his years working with Sir Richard Branson at Virgin that made the transition possible.
How Revolut Is Building a Bank Differently
Most neobanks start with a single product and bolt things on. Revolut took the opposite approach — building a global financial platform designed to handle everything from currency exchange to crypto to lending from day one. Matt describes the mindset as building for where the customer is going, not where banking has been.
That's not just positioning. Revolut's product catalogue now spans multi-currency accounts, stock and crypto trading, insurance, and business banking across dozens of markets. The company generated $4 billion in revenue in 2024, a 72% increase year over year, with pre-tax profit hitting $1.4 billion. Those numbers don't come from a single killer feature. They come from a platform that keeps customers inside the ecosystem.
Matt's perspective on this is shaped by his time at Bank of Queensland, where he was Head of Retail Banking for six years before becoming Group CFO. He saw firsthand how traditional banks approach product development — committee-driven, slow to market, and anchored to legacy systems. Revolut, by contrast, ships fast and iterates based on real-time customer data.
Blitz-Scaling Revolut: From Startup to $75B Valuation
The speed at which Revolut scales is hard to overstate. During the search and onboarding process for Matt's appointment alone, the company nearly tripled in size — from 4 million to 10 million accounts and from 700 to 2,000 employees. That trajectory hasn't slowed. Revolut's latest secondary share sale in November 2025 valued the business at $75 billion, up from $45 billion just 15 months earlier, backed by Coatue, Andreessen Horowitz, Fidelity, and NVIDIA's venture arm.
Matt talks openly about the intensity of operating in that environment. Blitz-scaling means making decisions with incomplete information, hiring ahead of revenue, and trusting that the product-market fit will compound. It's not for everyone. The type of leader who thrives in a Series A startup often struggles at scale, and vice versa. What makes Revolut's approach work is a relentless bias toward action — a culture Matt says comes directly from founder Nik Storonsky, who told him on his first week in London: "Conquer your market."
What Matt Baxby Learned From Richard Branson at Virgin
Before Revolut, Matt spent years at Virgin Money Australia, where he relaunched the business and built out the leadership team. We've known Matt since 2010 from that era, long before the Revolut opportunity existed.
Working under the Virgin brand taught Matt something most banking executives never learn: the power of brand as a competitive weapon. Virgin Money wasn't trying to out-feature the big four banks. It was trying to make banking feel different — more human, less bureaucratic. That philosophy transferred directly to Revolut, which competes not just on rates and features but on the experience of using the product.
Matt also credits Virgin with teaching him how to operate in a challenger mindset. When you're not the incumbent, you can't afford to play by incumbent rules. You move faster, take more calculated risks, and stay ruthlessly focused on what the customer actually wants rather than what the industry has always offered. That's the thread connecting Virgin Money to Revolut — both are brands built on the premise that the existing players aren't good enough.
Revolut's Plans for Australia
When Matt joined, Revolut was operating in beta mode in Australia with no financial services licence. Within months, the company secured its AFSL from ASIC and began building out the local product suite — currency exchange, crypto access, stock trading, and a push toward becoming a full-service financial platform for Australian consumers.
The Australian market matters to Revolut for specific reasons. Australians are among the most frequent international travellers in the world, with an expat community of over 300,000 people. Cross-border payments and multi-currency accounts are not nice-to-haves here — they're core to how a large segment of the population manages money. Revolut's global infrastructure gives it a structural advantage over local neobanks that were built for domestic use only.
Matt's ambition for the Australian business has always been to reach one million customers within a few years of launch and to position Revolut as the primary financial app for Australians, not just an add-on account. The company has also been pursuing an Australian banking licence through APRA, which would unlock deposit-taking and lending products and put Revolut in direct competition with the major banks.
One of the clearest themes in the conversation is how deeply customer focus is embedded in Revolut's operating model. This isn't the kind of customer-centricity you hear in corporate mission statements. It's structural. Product decisions are driven by usage data. Features that don't get traction get killed. The entire organisation is oriented around what the customer does next, not what the product team thinks is clever.
Matt points out that one of Revolut's strongest growth channels in Australia has been word of mouth — early adopters recommending the product to friends and family. That kind of organic advocacy only happens when the product genuinely solves a problem better than the alternatives. No amount of marketing spend can manufacture it.
Making the Jump From Banking to Fintech
For executives considering the move from traditional financial services into fintech, Matt's career path is a case study. The shift requires more than technical skill. It demands a fundamentally different operating cadence, comfort with ambiguity, willingness to make decisions without perfect data, and the ability to build teams in an environment where the job description changes every quarter.
Matt's advice: the mindset matters more than the CV. Revolut's most successful hires aren't necessarily the ones with the most impressive banking titles. They're problem solvers who aren't anchored to how things were done before, people with a bias toward outcomes over process.
Tier One People placed Matt Baxby as Revolut's Australia CEO. If you're hiring a country leader or C-suite executive for a high-growth fintech, talk to us about your search.
Ep 07: Eric Wilson, Xinja
Eric Wilson is CEO of Xinja, one of Australia's first Neo Banks. It's been a massive month for the business. An Aus $433m capital raise, record deposits - Xinja is a bank that is growing so fast, they have literally had to turn customers away!
I talk to Eric about the highlights of the last two years at Xinja. We also talk about hiring the right talent at the right time and the skills you need to go from Banker to Neo Banker.
Robert, how did you get to build Australia’s first smartbank?
I am a banker by background, I spent 15 years with one of Australia’s Big 4 banks and was given the opportunity to run banks in the Pacific and Japan. I came back to Australia to run a mid- sized mutual bank, and immediately before starting 86 400, worked for Cuscal (100% shareholder of 86 400).
Cuscal has an impressive track record of enabling competition through innovation and technology. They are an early adopter and one of the key founders of the new payments platform. While the big four banks are going very slow rolling out NPP, Cuscal quietly launched more than 40 financial institutions on day one, and did the same with Apple Pay.
Cuscal could see the trends overseas in terms of digital banks and spent a couple years researching international markets. We looked at bringing some of those models to Australia and decided to build a digital bank ourselves. I was involved in the original business case and then moved into the CEO role once Cuscal decided to move ahead with 86 400.
What has the journey been like so far?
Crazy busy!
But there is no other job I’d want, anywhere else in the world than the one I have right now. Building a full bank from scratch is incredibly challenging and exciting. We've gone through the process of getting a full banking license and now we are live. It has been an incredible journey so far and an amazing two years.
Working with our Chairman, Anthony Thomson is an unbeatable learning experience and I am supported by an amazing group of people. We’ve gone from 8 people on day one to now just over 90 people.
You spent two years building the bank. Now that you are live does it feel like a different business?
The reality is that the build will never be finished. The big difference between 86 400 and incumbent bank is the build. We have daily live releases and new updates to the App every four or five days at the moment. So the product is never going to be finished, we are constantly building.
But it is very exciting to be live with the product and finally putting it into customers hands. We think 86 400 is a really strong day one offering to customers, but we intend to improve. We have made it our mission to help Australian’s take control of their finances.
Australian’s seem spoilt for choice with new NeoBanks. What distinguishes 86 400 from other NeoBanks?
I think that's perhaps the wrong question to ask. The big four banks currently own 85% of the market so we are entirely focused on providing a product that offers a better experience, service and value than the big four banks.
That is the market we want to go after. We see the Big Four as the competition not NeoBanks.
8 million Australian’s currently bank using their smartphone. Of that 8 million 86 400 is focused on the 25 to 45 year age group (4.6 million) but our youngest customer is 16 and our oldest is 88!
We are giving customers something entirely different, smart banking.
What is a smartbank?
Before launching 86 400 an enormous amount of research was conducted over two years to unearth and understand the real problem in banking. People naturally point to the Royal Commission and highlight trust as the problem. Trust is massively important but the real problem we see is this;
Money and our finances are becoming very difficult to manage.
More than 65% of Australians have a relationship with multiple banks. Today we have more money coming in and out of our bank accounts than ever before, which we never see, subscriptions, direct debits and we tap our card or phone more than ever.
It is like money has become invisible. People feel like they are not in control of their spending, making them increasingly anxious about money.
Our core company value is to help Australian’s take control of their money. So the 86 400 team have designed and built a smartbank that helps Australians take control of their money.
A smartbank is a very different premise and value proposition to the large incumbent banks. 100% cloud based technology, purpose built for people who use their smartphone for everything, banking, payments, applying for a loan etc.
One of 86 400’s unique features is the ability to link up to 150 other different banks to the App and view your credit card, transaction accounts, savings accounts, personal loans etc. You can see all your finances in one place. It gives customers immediate value when they join 86 400.
That’s what we think will help us compete against the big four banks.
We are extremely happy with the early feedback. There are two measures we are focused on right now and the initial response is very encouraging;
Are customers happy with the product?
And are customers happy to tell other people about the product?
Will Open Banking give 86 400 a competitive edge?
We believe that customers should own their data and if a company does hold data it should be used to the customers advantage, not just to sell more products.
Banking has always been focused on the past. A bank statement records what you have already spent, it is too late to do anything about it once you get the statement. Even with today’s banking apps customers see their statement now, but they are still looking backwards.
Once a customer links all of their bank accounts with 86 400, smart algorithms predict what bills are coming up in each separate account. That's a massive difference to what we see anyone else is offering in the market and the feature is resonating extremely well with our early customers.
It takes 120 seconds to open an account. You sign up and get immediate value. This is just a small example of what customers can expect from us when open banking really gets going.
86 400 is one of only two banks to be chosen for the Open Banking pilot program. We are very excited and consider it a huge privilege to play such an important role influencing the future of Australia’s banking industry for the betterment of customers.
But we are not naive, there is a long road ahead and there will be challenges along the way. Not everyone has bought into the benefits of open banking and we are already seeing some resistance as Cuscal witnessed when rolling out NPP.
How is the team structured?
In total there over 90 staff. Roughly 50% of the team are tech people. Developers, Engineers, Designers, UX and Data Scientists. As a fully licensed bank we have risk, finance and credit functions. The homeloans business is about to go live to the public so we have a full team in that business unit.
The entire team is a mix of highly experienced bankers and highly experienced tech people. We only employ people who are digital natives and passionate about technology. We don’t expect a 30 year banking veteran to become a developer, but you have to be comfortable using technology and be passionate about what technology can do to revolutionise the banking industry.
What qualities do you look for in people?
Our core company value is to help Australian’s take control of their money. And that principle determines not only the product we are building but the culture we are creating too. Thousands of people reach out to me and the team asking about career opportunities with 86 400.
The first thing we look for are people who can actually do the work themselves. There isn’t the luxury of hiring people whose unique skill is to run a team or focus solely on strategy. We need leaders who can be strategic and actually do the work required to deliver. I appreciate we are looking for a very unique person and skillset.
86 400 operates an Agile environment with a fortnightly showcase where our people stand up and share what they have delivered in the last two weeks. That can be frightening to some people coming straight from a big bank environment. But it's highly exhilarating for the people we seek to employ, because they get to build stuff without the blockers you get in large organisations.
How have you hired and retained the right talent?
We have a dedicated HR team which is a big help. It’s a very exciting time to be in the industry. Our people are genuinely passionate about changing banking for the good of customers. 86 400 is small, we have a very flat structure so there is much greater ability to influence outcomes for those who are prepared to roll up their sleeves and Get Things Done.
We are a technology business first. But right now we don’t have the room for bean bags and a table tennis table. We don’t see the need for an innovation hub because if the innovation isn't happening around the boardroom, then 86 400 has a BIG problem.
It is reassuring for me as CEO to see the team stay here because they feel the work they are doing is important and has meaning. And not stay here because we have beer pumps and table tennis. The whole team shows enormous pride in the work they are doing.
Success is celebrated as a team. When the first home loan was finalised, when we got our license, when we went live with the core banking system, when the first card transaction with an ATM happened. All of these milestones have been celebrated as a team.
There will be lots more to celebrate over the next few months. The homeloans product goes live to the public soon. The biggest celebration for me is the feedback we get from customers every day. It’s so rewarding to know that 86 400 is truly delivering on our core principle of helping Australian’s take control of their money.
Steve Weston - Volt Bank
People warned me that building a bank would be very difficult. But it is much, much harder than that!
Steve Weston. CEO, Volt Bank.
Steve Weston is CEO of Volt Bank, the first fully licensed Neobank in Australia. Tier One People CEO Dexter Cousins caught up with Steve at Volt Banks HQ in Sydney to talk everything digital banking.
What is the story behind why you started Volt Bank?
Steve: I started my banking career at the age of fifteen in a small town in North Queensland. It was a great introduction to banking and the important role banks play in the community. Fast forward 30 years and I found myself in the UK as part of the senior leadership team at Barclays in a very similar environment the banks in Australia are facing post the Royal Commission. Somehow banks today have lost their purpose for existing, which is to serve customers.
At Barclays, I experienced first hand what happens when banks don't do the right thing by their customers. I also experienced the challenges incumbent banks face when attempting to adapt to the digital and data driven world we now live in.
When I came back to Australia in the beginning of 2016, I spoke with boards and executives of at least a dozen banks on two topics. Firstly the change in regulation; I was confident that they could see what had transpired in the UK post-GFC was likely to happen in Australia. Secondly, the need for digital transformation; Barclays is recognised as a leader in digital transformation amongst incumbent banks globally.
The banks found my insights interesting but also too challenging to action. I think if I had joined a major Australian bank I might have only lasted a couple of weeks. My opinions were strong on what was likely to happen and what needed to be done, I would most likely have been considered too much trouble! Instead I decided to take a different route - I joined the board of a peer-to-peer lender and invested in a few Fintech startups.
Then one day I bumped into an old St George colleague of mine, Luke Bunbury, who is now my Co-Founder of Volt Bank. Like most businesses, the Volt Bank idea started by putting the world to rights over a bottle of red and a pizza!
Luke and I both agreed that the future of banking was digital with clear examples of new entrants in the UK market such as Monzo, Starling and Revolut. The barriers to entry in Australia were incredibly high, even if we had the significant capital required, the chance of ever getting a banking licence was remote. So, we just parked the idea and got on with life.
A day I vividly remember is May the 9th 2017. I was watching the federal budget on TV, Australia’s Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, the Treasurer at the time, announced key changes to the Australian banking regulations. He called for an open banking review, announced the BEAR (Bank Executive Accountability Regime) act, the Banking Levy and most importantly for us, the restricted banking licence approach. A similar approach to phased licencing in the UK made it possible for Monzo, Starling and the UK neo bank revolution to get off the ground.
I didn't sleep that night and wrote what was to become a business plan. I met with Luke the next morning and we agreed to commit to a six-week feasibility study to assess the viability of building a neobank in Australia. We reached out to nine other colleagues to ask if they could help. By June 2017 we made the decision to form Volt Bank and all nine are still members of the team.
How difficult has it been to become a fully licensed bank? And do you have any advice?
People warned me that building a bank would be very difficult. But it is much, much harder than that!
We applied for a restricted banking licence in October 2017, were granted that licence 7 months later in May 2018 and consequently granted a full banking license in January 2019. We are unaware of any bank; even multinational banks being granted a full Australian banking licence in less than that time. Whilst it has been challenging, it has been an amazingly rewarding experience.
"Being awarded a banking licence is an extremely difficult and rigorous process, and so it should be."
Steve Weston - Volt Bank
First you need a deeply experienced board and management team in place. I am regularly asked for advice on how to start a neobank and get a licence. Most of the people who are thinking about building a bank I meet come from technology or M&A backgrounds. The harsh reality is they will struggle to get a banking licence and will likely burn through any capital they raise unless they have all the ingredients in place.
We have met with people who have started the process of a restricted license and then pulled out because of how difficult it is. Before anyone starts, I would encourage them to speak with people at Xinja, 86:400 and Judo Bank.
The execution risk of any startup is high, but in building a digital bank, the risk is extremely high. Without a banking licence, you can’t conduct business. You need all your technology in place, an experienced board and significant amounts of capital. It is a huge investment before you can even sell a product or service.
What is your secret to raising capital?
There’s no secret. We have worn out a lot of shoe leather! I think our proposition is compelling. The UK is a comparable banking market to Australia and if we look at the digital banking scene there, 1 in 4 millennials has an account with a neobank, all in the space of approximately three years. Awareness and growth is increasing at an exponential rate with people looking for a genuine alternative to the incumbent banks.
Cloud Technology and data analytics enable pure digital banks to provide a superior service at a much lower cost, which is obviously an attraction to customers and investors.
The Royal Commission has helped raise awareness that the traditional banking model isn’t working for many customers, and alternative solutions are required. We don't expect customers will simply switch banks because of the Royal Commission. However, research shows that Australian millennials are the most likely millennial group on the planet to switch and the most worried about their financial future. While mum and dad may have grumbled about their bank, they seldom changed. Millennials think and act differently, loyalty is no longer a key element in the decision process.
Investors hear our story and it makes sense to even the most skeptical of fund managers. Now, some might want to see runs on the board before investing. But many have invested on the strength of our story, the strategy we have in place and the background and experience of our management team and board. The fact we have delivered on timelines, especially getting a banking licence, has instilled a lot of confidence in the investor community.
What influence has your UK experience had on Volt Bank’s customer proposition?
It has had some influence, but we have looked at many neo-banks all across the world to see what they have done well and what we can do better. We have opened accounts with them and spoken to founders where we can.
For 600 years banking largely has been done the same way. You go to a bank branch, get a deposit account or loan product and once the exchange happens you are left to get on with life. Our customer research indicates people want a bank that understands what they are trying to achieve in their lives and help them along the way. We call these ‘journeys.’ Customers want a bank to assist them in achieving outcomes in a more effective way than has been possible in the past.
Rather than just providing a savings account, Volt Bank seeks to understand what it is a customer is saving for and helps them budget, save and develop habits to get there. The Volt app will analyse spending habits and monthly living costs and provide real time prompts when a customer is over spending.
Customers are telling us that they want even more than this. If we can in some way save them money or provide access to a better deal, then they want to hear about it. Customers today expect banks to provide them with suggestions on how to save. A way would be to offer a better deal on non-bank products like utilities, insurance and mobile phone plans. Volt Bank’s key point of differentiation is to help customers in this more holistic way.
Who do you see as being the biggest threats to the Australian banking industry?
It would be naive of Volt Bank to think we can compete against multi-billion-dollar corporations. The major Australian banks have 80% market share, so there is plenty of opportunity for Volt to capture some of that market with direct customer acquisition.
People immediately assume Amazon, Facebook, Google etc. will be the biggest threat, and we recognise that the tech firms may potentially want to offer banking products to their customer bases. However, while large tech firms may have the capital required to become a bank, it is also comes with a lot of pain and regulatory scrutiny, and detracts from their core business. More often they look to partnerships as we have seen with Apple and Goldman Sachs.
Volt Bank has three partnerships announced to date, one of which is PayPal that has over 7 million Australian users. In the coming months we expect to announce other partnerships with businesses with highly engaged customer bases, which are looking to expand their services. We have put in place a business model, technology and experienced people to provide a platform for partner banking. It is a different approach, but we think the market globally and particularly in Australia, is ready for it.
How many employees work at Volt Bank?
Currently there are 120 full time and contract staff. In 12 months’ time, we expect to have around 200 people. Volt Bank will never employ the number of people a major bank does. By adopting a scalable model with the help of automation and technology we will be able to keep our head count low. However, machines can’t do everything and when it comes to customer contact, we feel it is essential customers deal with humans when they need to. This is why customers of Volt Bank will get to deal with highly skilled customer service representatives.
Does Volt Bank require the same skills, disciplines and expertise as a traditional bank?
Yes, and no. We have roles that you would find in any other bank; treasury, risk, cyber security, compliance and so forth. Then we have the creative and tech teams. Designers, engineers and creatives are all on one floor and it is a different environment. There is also a startup hub which is essentially our lab area.
There is a balance between being a bank and tech startup, with a lot of respect between the different teams. Everyone in the business knows that without the banking and risk discipline, we wouldn't have a banking licence, however that we're not going to become successful by operating and thinking like a traditional bank.
And that's why we have recruited people from different industries and from different countries, people at the top of their game who have a burning desire to transform the way banking is done.
How does the culture of Volt Bank differ from other banks you have worked in?
The culture of any organisation is formed from the top of the business. I am fortunate that I love people, love customers and I am a bit of a sticky beak. I try to say good morning to everyone I see each day, and goodbye when I'm leaving to those still in the office.
I know everyone by name, I get to know a bit about them, and I want people to feel comfortable so they can speak with anyone in the business about anything, positive or negative. We get together regularly as a complete team and discuss challenges and achievements, communicate which decisions have been made and why we prioritised those decisions. It is a very open and collaborative environment.
It is critical we invest in our people. We work hard to ensure everyone at Volt Bank understands our purpose and why we go to work every day. We set clear expectations as to what is expected from each team member,and we talk regularly about any mistakes that may have been made to learn from them. We want our people to feel they can be their true self when they come to work.
Coming to work every day is a lot of fun. It doesn't mean the work isn't hard and it doesn't mean that everything's perfect. But we are building something unique, the culture feels more like an elite sports team trying to win the championship than a business at times. That level of commitment, character, drive, determination and skill is the kind of culture we want at Volt Bank.
How have you attracted Game Changing talent without having a banking license?
The original nine people who helped bring the idea of Volt Bank to life with Luke and myself have been the key. Almost all of our hires to date have come from our networks. When we formed Volt Bank, we had founding members in the UK, Singapore and the USA. We have been able to tap into some of the best talent in the world.
We get a lot of interest from people approaching us direct. We assess talent on a combination of technical skills, attitude and cultural fit. Typically, highly talented people will come into an organisation and they want to do a diagnostic for a few months, see what's going on, and then make decisions on what needs to happen.
Because we were growing so quickly and because there is so much to do, we can't afford that luxury. We need people who can fly the plane as we are building it. What do I mean by that? We value talent and expertise, but our people have to adopt the lean startup mentality of building, learning and fixing along the way. And that is a very different way of working to traditional banks and corporates. Even highly talented people can find a new environment challenging so it is about finding a balance while people get used to our way of working. But not everyone can or wants to work this way. So, we are very particular about who we hire and why.
Andy Taylor, CEO of Douugh
We are laser focused on building a ‘smart’ banking experience that will change people’s relationship with money for the better - fostering financial wellness.
Andy Taylor is an Aussie FinTech pioneer. He is one of the original founders of Society One, bringing peer to peer lending to the Australian market. Andy's latest venture, Douugh is his most ambitious project yet, a next gen Neo Bank with an AI first approach. Set to launch in the US through a partnership with Choice Bank, Douugh announced a partnership with Regional Australia Bank just this week.
Unlike ‘traditional’ Neobanks, who are taking a mobile first approach and applying for their own banking licences to sell traditional bank products. Douugh is a technology company taking an AI first approach to building a proprietary software platform, partnering with a bank to provide it with deposit taking capabilities and a balance sheet. The company is pioneering a new business model focused around delivering financial wellness for it’s customers.
Is it a similar arrangement to your partnership in the US with Choice Bank?
Correct, it allows us to offer a fully insured bank account and Mastercard debit card, without the need to become a licenced bank ourselves. This frees us up to focus on building out a technology company, innovating on the customer experience software layer through an AI first approach, utilising open API’s.
Listen to an update from Andy Taylor on the FinTech Australia Podcast.
How did the partnership come about? Was it difficult to find/select the right partner?
It’s been very difficult and time consuming to find the right partner in Australia. We wanted to find someone who respected our independence, shared our values and capable of supporting our ambitious product and growth plans.
Just so I don't explain it incorrectly ... would a Douugh customer in Australia be opening an account with Regional Australia Bank?
Correct, it’s ultimately a wholesale partnership. The Douugh branded bank account will be ‘issued’ by Regional Australia Bank on the backend, customers funds will be held by them, protected by the government guarantee on deposits upto $250,000. The entire customer experience is managed by us through our mobile app and customer support centre.
This is a similar commercial partnership model to what Up has with Bendigo Bank. Meaning, we act as an ‘authorised representative’ of a bank, rather than getting our own banking licence. The partnership with RAB is very much the missing piece. The ability to offer a fully insured bank account and debit card means we can now launch in Australia.
Do you expect HENRYs (High Earner Not Rich Yet) to migrate away from Big Four banks to Douugh?
We do expect people to dip their toe in the water initially to test our technology and gauge the impact it will have on their daily lives. I think we will need to work hard to win the right to people’s salary deposits. We believe people will hold multiple bank accounts in the future.
The battle ground is winning the right to the salary deposit and everyday expenditure. We do allow customers to connect their existing bank accounts and credit cards, so we can give them a 360 degree view to truly understand their financial position. This is where the strategy of becoming the ‘financial control centre’ for our customers becomes very important.
Why do you think Douugh will appeal particularly to this demographic?
We are laser focused on building a ‘smart’ banking experience that will change people’s relationship with money for the better - fostering financial wellness.
People now expect transparency, insight, personalisation and autonomy. They want to understand the opportunity cost of their financial decisions today and what it means for their future, delivered through a seamless, intuitive and frictionless experience.
Banks today do not offer this. They are analogue in their offering, and are not incentivised to offer this kind of service and business model, as they are bogged down by legacy systems and operational models, totally reliant on pushing traditional credit products to deliver short-term profitability, as opposed to generating positive financial outcomes for their customers, taking a longer term view.
People are now aware of this (as exposed by the Royal Commission), and are looking to technology to help them. We believe this sentiment is consistent around the world.
And is that the same for the US and Australia?
Ultimately, it’s about understanding people’s emotional drivers. Money is one of the most powerful forces behind emotional state of mind, and the majority of people's relationship with money is based on fear and anxiety. We plan to tap into this in a positive way and change the narrative, supporting and educating our customers to get ahead and achieve their goals. So, they can live happier and healthier lives. Rather than be bogged down, living paycheck to paycheck .
This is where we see our AI assistant Sophie really playing a positive role and forever changing the game. Taking on the responsibility of a frictionless, autonomous money manager. Working on behalf of our customers to make money work for them, not the other way around.
We believe this will have a major and lasting impact on society as a whole. This is the legacy I want to leave behind.
Do you have any indication yet of likely demand for Douugh?
We have strong demand in the US from the little marketing and PR we have done, with thousands of people signed up to our waitlist.
We have started to raise our awareness in Australia via our partnership with Crowdfunding platform Equitise. We aim to build a foundation community. With thousands signed up on our waitlist so far. We will look to ramp up our pre-launch marketing efforts from here on in.
Are we likely to see the Australian accounts open this year? Is there a sense of urgency with other neo banks on the scene?
We are targeting a late Q4 launch this year. Yes the space is hotting up, and we are keen to cut our teeth in this market because it is our home, and we believe Australia (like the US), has a very big problem to solve in terms of the spiralling household debt levels and overall financial health.
Importantly, we view Australia as a key strategic market for R&D purposes, as it is continues to lead the way in mobile payment adoption in the western world.
Is it hard to explain to potential customers the unique selling point of Douugh versus other options? What is the main hook you think that will get people over the line?
Not really, I believe it is much easier for us as we don’t need to get distracted by the fact that we are wanting to be a bank. Becoming a bank does not solve the problem. We have a much more succinct, purpose based marketing message and mission than other ‘Neobanks’.
The hook is that we are looking to pioneer a new business model to make the world financially healthier through a proprietary software platform. We are helping people pay off debt, spend less, save and build wealth autonomously via a ‘smart’ bank account offering, powered by AI.
How is the crowdfunding going? Why did you go via the crowdfunding route rather than the more commonly used VC route?
The crowdfunding is going really well, demand is strong. We wanted to use it as a vehicle to attract a foundation customer base and community in Australia that are passionate about our cause and business. We see this as a better fit at this stage in our lifecycle.
We are on a path to list on the ASX this year, this funding round will allow us to staff up to launch and scale the US business.
How do you view the potential for Douugh in comparison to when you when you founded SocietyOne?
We see much bigger potential for Douugh, as we are operating this as a global banking platform from day one, beginning in the US. The opportunity is obviously significantly larger as we scale up in this market and beyond. Everyone needs a bank account!
We truly believe we can scale to reach 100 million customers by 2030 and we are motivated to show the world that Australia can produce world class consumer technology companies.
Does this feel like unfinished business for you in any way, as SocietyOne came along with a mission to knock the majors off their perches.
Very much so. I’ve always been driven to build a global consumer software company that structurally disrupts the status quo. The mission was always to provide consumers a better experience than offered by the banks, with a business model that is aligned to positive financial outcomes. With Douugh, we are building a product that is co-created with customers from a passionate community.
Douugh partners with Bank
Our friends at Douugh, made a major announcement signing a long-term strategic partnership agreement with Regional Australia Bank. The bank will become Douugh's sponsor bank partner in Australia and challenge the dominance of the ‘Big Four’ banks.
On a mission to democratise banking globally, Douugh is building a ‘smart’ bank account designed to help customers live financially healthier, thanks to Sophie - its AI personal financial assistant. The agreement with Regional Australia Bankfollows a global strategic innovation partnership announcement with Mastercard at the end of 2018 and a sophisticated raise on leading Equity Crowdfunding platform Equitise which remains live until February.
Douugh’s smart mobile banking app, will offer a Mastercard debit card and suite of everyday banking functionality, as well as multiple enhanced and unique features - focused on helping users pay off debt, spend less, save and build wealth. Sophie offers real time insights and guidance, learning how you spend money and understanding your goals to help you get ahead.
AI Powered Neo Banking
Currently in beta testing in the U.S, Douugh is gearing up for rapid growth. Launching first in the U.S market next month, with Australia set to follow later in the year. Douugh is fast becoming one of Australia’s most promising international fintechs.
“We are thrilled to be partnering with Regional Australia Bank, who share our cultural values and vision on helping Australians become financially healthier”, says Andy Taylor, Douugh’s Founder & CEO.
With an initial focus on the global millennial market, Taylor believes the sweet spot of the Millennial demographic for early adoption of Douugh, are the HENRY (High Earner Not Rich Yet) segment.
“This segment is ready to plan for their future and start accumulating wealth. This is where Douugh can educate and automate their finances, and alleviate the stress involved. Helping them live financially healthy by still enjoying the now while planning for their future,” he said.
“We believe the future of banking is about platform, data and identity. Our ultimate goal is to become the financial control centre, where people’s finances are managed on autopilot.
“Technology and the pioneering of a new platform based business model, will be the key differentiators in winning customers from the major banks and it will be the true fintechs with global scale that will ultimately be best placed to capture market share in the long-term,” says Taylor.
Regional Australia Bank CEO Kevin Dupé says, “Douugh has a big focus on customer financial well-being and this aligns perfectly with our approach. With our industry continuing to evolve at pace, we are excited to be partnering with Douugh and help take such a cutting edge technology platform to market”.
Douugh is currently closing out a $5m crowdfunding offer to wholesale investors on the Equitise platform. For more information visit www.equitise.com
Up Bank Launch
October 9th 2018 will go down in history as the day Australian Banking stepped into the future, with the official launch of Australia's first Next Gen NeoBank.
Up is a partnership between Australia's 5th largest bank, Bendigo and Adelaide Bank, and Ferocia, the software team behind Bendigo's award winning banking platform.
Tier One People Founder, Dexter Cousins was one of a lucky few guests at the launch event in Sydney. The launch itself was more akin to an iPhone launch than the launch of a bank. Founder Dom Pym (the dude in the beard) wowed the crowd with an amazing product demo. Guests watched on as Dom transfered money from his UP account into the account of Head of Product, Anson Parker (pictured next to Dom,) using a voice command, in seconds.
A bank built by Techies NOT Bankers
Users can sign 'UP' for an account in two minutes (the average sign up time is 2 minutes 5 seconds to be exact!) and use the account immediately through Apple Pay while your card is issued. UP is the first cloud-hosted bank platform using Google Cloud Services, testing results on the platform are incredible. During 11 months of testing, the platform has spent a total of just over two hours in down time!
The technology is super powerful with features like spend tracking, spend analysis, automatic transaction recognition, instant payments using Osko and Siri integration. And they have been super smart to preempt open data reforms by giving users total access to their data. The tech is backed up by seriously slick UX and design.
I asked founder Dom Pym if UP were classing themselves as a challenger bank to the Big 4 Australian domestic banks. This is what he had to say;
“Bendigo and Adelaide Bank’s strong track-record provides us with a credible banking partner, coupled with the creative licence to design Up in the most ‘non-bank’ way possible. It has meant we can offer customers a new way to manage their money ahead of everyone else.”
“The alternative would have been to apply for a restricted banking license and be in the same boat as the neo banks – unable to launch in any meaningful way until at least 2019.”
“We’ll keep working at a fierce pace to add new and exciting features at a consistent rate. We’ve been averaging about five deployments per day, which is unusual for a bank, to say the least, and we’ll continue to do so.”
Is UP any different to any other banking app?
I have been using UP for the past six weeks. What I find so refreshing and unique about UP is the limited involvement of bankers in the build and design of products. UP has been built by Tech people (super talented Tech people!) and the end product is highly impressive.
The bar has been set high for challenger banks entering the market. What is so ground breaking about UP? They have taken the best of the best FinTech innovation and applied design thinking to create a banking app for a world where customers own their data. Australian consumers are long overdue an enjoyable and convenient banking experience. UP delivers and then some.
Exclusive for Tier One People network
Skip the wait list and get access now. Download the UP Banking App on iTunes and Android and enter code DEXTER - Limited to first 50
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