Revolut Australia CEO Matt Baxby Interview: 1M Customers

Revolut Australia CEO Matt Baxby: From 3 Employees to 1 Million Customers and Profitability.

Revolut Australia CEO Matt Baxby has done what most Australian neobanks couldn't: reach 1 million customers and profitability. Six years after soft-launching with three employees during a global pandemic, the Revolut Australia CEO sits down with Dexter Cousins on Fintech Chatter to discuss the journey from travel FX startup to 30-product super app, the $250 million saved for Australians, and the ambition to become the country's number one finance app. More importantly, Matt Baxby reveals the hiring philosophy and culture that made it all possible.

This interview was recorded on 4 February 2026.

How Revolut Australia Reached 1 Million Customers and saved them $250M

Dexter Cousins: Matt, congratulations on a massive milestone. Let's start with the big news: Revolut Australia has just hit 1 million customers. Take us through what that means.

Matt Baxby: Thanks, Dexter. Yeah, we crossed 1 million customers at the end of January, which is a really proud moment for the team. But what's more meaningful to me is that we've saved Australians close to $250 million in FX fees compared to what the major banks charge. That demonstrates there's a real need for what we're offering in this market. When you can put that kind of money back in people's pockets, you know you're solving genuine problems.

DC: The awareness is certainly building. People are starting to understand there are alternatives to those airport FX desks, and Revolut is at the front of that pack. But you've evolved well beyond just travel money, haven't you? You're now offering 30 plus products.

MB: Absolutely. When we launched six years ago, the proposition was simple: bring together disparate financial solutions into one app. Things like overseas money transfer, bill splitting, peer-to-peer transfers. One of the key features from those early days that's still incredibly popular is the ability to transfer any currency directly to another Revolut customer in a different market. No friction, no cost, no waiting around for three days. That was the hook.

But you're right: we've expanded significantly. Today we're a modular platform. There's no set use case for our customers. Some people use us primarily for travel, others for everyday spending, some for investing in crypto or US shares. We build based on what customers tell us they need solved.

DC: That's interesting because as a Gen Xer maybe it's my eyes going, but the app is getting more complex to navigate with all those features. Is product proliferation becoming a challenge?

MB: [Laughs] Fair observation. Look, we're very aware of that, and it's something we're constantly working on. But I'd rather have that problem than the alternative: being too narrow in what we offer. The development continues to be driven by customer feedback. If enough customers are telling us they need something, we'll build it. That customer-first approach has been core to our success.

And here's the thing that keeps me confident we're on the right track: word-of-mouth referrals still represent a large proportion of our new customer acquisition. That's the highest compliment we can receive. When customers are actively recommending us to friends and family despite the complexity, it tells me we're delivering real value.


Revolut Business Australia: 235% Growth in Transaction Volumes

DC: Let's talk about Revolut Business. Small businesses are the backbone of the Australian economy, but they often feel overlooked by the major banks and even by many fintechs. What's happening there?

MB: Revolut Business has been incredible since we launched it in 2023. We've seen 235% growth in transaction volumes over just the last 12 months. The opportunity is massive because you're right: small businesses have been underserved for years.

The really exciting development is our new merchant acquiring product. We've just launched physical terminals and payment gateways through "Revolut Pay." What makes this powerful is we have a double-sided marketplace: a large consumer base who already have Revolut on their phones, and a rapidly growing small business base. When you can connect both sides, you create real network effects.

How Revolut Australia Succeeded Where Other Neobanks Failed

DC: That's a significant expansion beyond your core FX and payments business. Speaking of expansion, where are you with the APRA banking licence?

MB: The process is ongoing, and it remains very important to us. A banking licence enables services like interest-bearing savings accounts and broader credit products. It also provides government guarantees on deposits, which builds customer trust and gives us access to more sustainable long-term funding.

But here's what's critical: the lack of a licence hasn't constrained our product delivery or business growth. We've been very deliberate about that. We've continued shipping products, growing customers, and most importantly, we reached profitability in 2024. That's a very different path from other neobanks in Australia.

DC: Indeed. Most of the local neobanks either failed or were acquired before reaching profitability. What did Revolut do differently?

MB: Our strategy was fundamentally different from day one. We established a strong foothold in payments and foreign exchange first: areas where we could demonstrate clear value and actually make money. Then we expanded the product offering from that profitable base.

A lot of other neobanks tried to be full-service banks from the start, which meant massive infrastructure investment before they had meaningful revenue. They were burning capital trying to replicate everything the Big Four do, just with a better app interface. That's incredibly capital intensive and the unit economics don't work until you have massive scale.

We took a different approach. Build what customers need, prove the economics work, then expand. Stay lean, stay focused, stay profitable.


COVID-19 Pivot: How the Revolut Australia CEO Adapted in 2020

DC: Let's go back to the beginning. You joined Revolut in February 2020 as the first Australia CEO. You started with three people, then literally one month later, COVID hit and the world went into lockdown. What was going through your mind?

MB: [Laughs] Honestly? It was a significant inflection point, to put it mildly. Here we were with a travel-oriented FX proposition, and borders just… closed. Completely. For what ended up being over a year in Australia.

But looking back now, I'd say it was the best thing that could have happened to us. It forced us to think much more broadly and pivot into new opportunities immediately. We accelerated our plans for US share trading, we introduced cryptocurrency exposure, we focused on international e-commerce. All the things that didn't require getting on a plane.

That agility, that bias to action, is core to Revolut's culture. Our founders backed us to make those pivots quickly. We didn't spend six months doing market research and business cases. We identified the opportunity, built the product, shipped it, learned from it. That's how we survived and then thrived despite the pandemic.

Revolut Australia's Remote Work Culture: 100 Employees, Work From Anywhere

DC: You mentioned culture, and I want to dig into that because you've built teams at Virgin under Richard Branson, at Bank of Queensland, and now at Revolut. How do those experiences compare?

MB: They're all very different cultures, but there are principles I've carried through. At Virgin, I learned the power of entrepreneurialism and brand: what it means to genuinely put customers first and challenge incumbents. At BOQ, I learned the discipline of running a bank, dealing with regulators, managing risk at scale.

What I've adapted for Revolut is being very specific about what type of people succeed here. We're rigorous about hiring problem solvers: people who can think critically and exhibit a strong bias to action. We assess that through interview scenarios, not just by asking people to talk about their CV.

DC: Your recruitment process has a reputation for being thorough. And you're doing all of this with a "work from anywhere" policy, which is quite different from the banking norm.

MB: The remote working policy works because of the discipline and mindset of the people we hire. We have high expectations for performance, ambitious quarterly KPIs, and structured measurement. There's a misconception that you need people in an office to have performance oversight. What you actually need is clarity on objectives, rigorous measurement, and people who are self-motivated.

If you've hired properly — true problem solvers with a bias to action — it doesn't matter if they're working from a Sydney office or a beach in Byron Bay. They'll deliver. If you haven't hired properly, having them in an office won't fix that.

DC: You now have 100 people in Australia. When you're hiring, what are the absolute non-negotiables?

MB: Problem-solving ability and cultural fit around action. I'd rather have someone who can think critically, move fast, and figure things out than someone with a perfect CV who needs to be told exactly what to do.

We're also looking for people who are comfortable with ambiguity. Revolut is a founder-led organisation. Nick, our founder, sets ambitious goals without caveats. His goal for us is to be the number one app in the finance category in Australia. Not "number one neobank" or "number one among challengers." Number one, full stop. You need people who find that energising, not terrifying.


Revolut Australia CEO on Taking On the Big Four Banks

DC: That's quite an ambition when you're competing against the Big Four banks who control 80% of the market. After six years and 1 million customers, how's that battle going?

MB: We're bringing genuine competition to a market that's needed it for years. The Big Four have had it pretty comfortable: wide margins, suboptimal user experiences, business models built on customer apathy. We're changing that equation.

What's surprised me is how quickly Australians have embraced an alternative once they try it. The word-of-mouth growth I mentioned earlier: that's people voting with their wallets and their recommendations. That doesn't happen if you're just marginally better. It happens when you're delivering something genuinely different.

Are we number one yet? No. But every customer we win, every dollar we save them, every feature we ship: we're getting closer. And unlike some of our competitors who've fallen by the wayside, we're profitable and sustainable. We're in this for the long term.

DC: Looking forward, what's the vision for the next 3 to 5 years?

MB: All our actions, whether it's our F1 sponsorship, our product development, our marketing, are focused on that number one goal. We want to be the app Australians open every day to manage their money. All their money. Spending, saving, investing, borrowing.

We'll continue expanding our product suite based on customer needs. The banking licence, when it comes through, will unlock more capabilities. We'll keep investing in making the experience better, more intuitive, more valuable.

But fundamentally, it's about meeting Aussie consumer needs better than anyone else. That's been our mission from day one, and it won't change.

Revolut Australia Careers: How to Join the Team

DC: For people interested in joining this journey, where should they look?

MB: Head to revolut.com and check out our careers page. We've got live roles across product, engineering, operations, commercial, compliance: pretty much every function you'd expect. If you're someone who loves solving problems, moving fast, and making an impact, we'd love to hear from you.

DC: Matt, congratulations again on the milestone. It's been an incredible journey to watch, and I'm proud that Tier One People could play a part in it six years ago.

MB: Thanks, Dexter. And thanks to you and the Tier One People team. We couldn't have done it without finding the right people, and that partnership has been crucial to our success.


Revolut Australia has 1 million customers and 100 employees nationwide. The company is certified as a Great Place to Work in Australia and is actively hiring. For more information, visit revolut.com.

About Tier One People

Tier One People is Australia's leading fintech executive search firm. Six years ago, Tier One People placed Matt Baxby as Revolut Australia's founding CEO - a placement that has delivered 1 million customers, $250 million in savings for Australians, and a profitable, sustainable fintech business.

That's what happens when you find the 1% who define what's possible.If you're building a fintech team or looking for your next role in fintech, visit tieronepeople.com or connect with Dexter Cousins on LinkedIn.

118: Tic:Toc - Lisa Virgo

In Episode 118 of Fintech Chatter Dexter Cousins is joined by Lisa Virgo, Chief People Officer at Tic:Toc Homeloans. They talk about the huge benefits of having People and Culture on the founding team.

About Tic:Toc

Tic:Toc, is a platform Fintech company based in Adelaide, South Australia - with a growing presence in Sydney.  Founded in 2015, but launched to the public in July 2017, Tic:Toc offers automated digital home loans to consumers while selling its automation technology to other lending businesses. 

Lisa has been emersed in the journey of Tic:Toc from the early days, from a start-up with 9 employees to scaling the headcount of approximately 130 employees. 

Dexter talks to Lisa about the lessons they have learned along the way, including:

- How P&C delivers the growth strategy for the CEO/Founder
- The importance of values from day one
- How Tic:Toc have managed remote working
- Avoiding the growing pains
- Setting principles around salaries and remuneration
- Attracting great talent when you don't have much money or a recognised brand
- Not using job descriptions
- Getting rid of performance reviews
- Overcoming talent shortages by identifying and developing people with potential

There's some incredible advice in this podcast delivered in a very honest and candid way, which will hopefully resonate with many founders and Fintech leaders.

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About Tier One People

Founded by Dexter Cousins in 2016, Tier One People is on a mission to help Australia become the world leader in Fintech innovation.

Tier One People helps companies like Revolut, TrueLayer and 10x build founding teams for launch in Australia. 

And series A+ / ASX Listed Aussie Fintech like Lendi, Afterpay and 86 400 hire executive talent capable of delivering growth and scale. 

If you are building a world-class Fintech venture and need help in hiring tier-one people, you can reach us info@tieronepeople.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dextercousins/

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Website: https://tieronepeople.com 

Fintech Masterclass Podcast - Hiring

Welcome to the first of our Masterclass podcast series. Every month we bring together experts from the Tier One People network to discuss a particular aspect of scaling a Fintech.

In this episode Dexter Cousins is joined by two special guests from the world of Talent and People to discuss hiring.

Emma Jones of Project F and Sophie Theen of Oakam group.  

The core to success of every tech business is hiring a diverse group of talented people. The stats show diversity isn't just the right thing to do for society, but it makes a positive impact on a companies financial performance. But with Fintech lagging behind other sectors when it comes to diversity, how can founders go about bridging the gender gap and build diverse teams?


About Emma Jones

Emma Jones has amassed a career in all things talent, spanning more than 25 years across global markets.  After building an enterprise channel for tech start-up recruitment specialists Mitchellake Emma joined fast growth SaaS company, Ansarada as Global Head of Talent, scaling to more than double its headcount in two years.

Emma founded Men Championing Change (Sydney & Melbourne) before embarking on her current venture, Project F.

Project F is a for-profit, social impact business helping companies around the world to surface and remove the systemic and structural derailers that cause women to quit tech mid-career.

To find out more about Project F and the 50/50 Program mentioned in the show: https://www.projectf.com.au/program-50-50

Men Championing Change: https://www.meetup.com/Men-Championing-Change-Meetup/

About Sophie Theen

Sophie Theen is a Talent and HR professional with a focus on Fintech. Studying a Bachelor of Engineering at Monash and MBA at Melbourne Business School, Sophie has gained notable experience in Australia and Europe.

As first HR person at Revolut, Sophie helped scale the business from 30-500 people. She then joined 11:FS as Global Head of HR and Talent supporting 300% growth.

Now at Oakam Group as Chief People and Customer Officer, Sophie brings a unique approach and perspective to the role of Talent and HR within tech startups.

Sophie's work is consistently recognised by the Fintech industry as a Standout 35 of the Innovate Finance Women in Fintech Powerlist 2018, 2019, 2020 Diversity Advocate and Leader


You can connect with Sophie - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophietheen/

And find out more about Oakam - https://www.oakam.com/about-us/careers/

Fintech Jobs Report

Welcome To The Tier One People Fintech Jobs Report.

Sydney Advertises Four Hundred Fintech Jobs!

Developers and Engineers make up more than 50% of all jobs advertised in Australia.

On the face of it, the Sydney Fintech jobs market is going gangbusters compared to every other city with almost 400 advertised positions. But when we analysed the data from advertising platforms including Seek, Indeed, Glass Door, LinkedIn, the real story was nowhere near as impressive.

Find out which jobs are in demand, who is doing the hiring and how using recruiters could be doing your business more harm than good.

David M Brear, 11:FS - Leadership interview

"Good leaders really understand that it's not about them. It's about what they can do to get the best out of everybody else around them. "
 

David M Brear 11:FS

Exclusive Interview. Dexter Cousins chats to David M Brear CEO of 11:FS, the globally renowned Fintech and digital banking consultancy. Find out David's secrets on leadership, attracting the very best talent and how to bootstrap a global business.

 

11:FS is much more than a Podcast. Can you explain the business model?

David: We've been up to a few things other than just hanging out with microphones and doing podcasts.

Over the last three and a bit years, we've built Mettle, a SME challenger bank with NatWest in the UK. In Hong Kong we’ve worked with WeLab and Standard Chartered and in Singapore we’ve worked with our good friends Grab. We’ve also worked with a number of different companies in South Africa and we are midway through building out a consumer bank in the US.

From an 11:FS perspective, we live by the mantra that digital financial services are only 1% finished. Our mission is to change the fabric of financial services. And we do that in many different ways.

On one side we have a consulting services business working with people around the planet, whether it's regulators or banks or tech players or whoever wants to build out new green field propositions. We help to define strategy and move the ideas forward. 

On the other side, it's about building products that actually solve problems we've had ourselves, whether it's things like Pulse, a global benchmarking tool, or the blockers we’ve come up against for delivering truly digital services at speed and scale.

That directly led us to establish 11:FS Foundry, which is a digitally native approach to core banking with a full stack architecture.

What prompted you to start 11:FS

David: Four years back we struck on a thesis that we are so early in the cycle of change. The promise of everything the Internet brings to an industry that fundamentally hasn't changed for 300 years was nowhere near being realised.

Digital is really about using the power of data to create an ultra personalised experience with much better services and products. 

Unfortunately the way in which big banking organisations have implemented digital is more about taking people and paper out of the process. That’s digitisation, not digital.

The justification of every bank's digital transformation had been cost driven. It has only been in the last few years where banks have realised they need to revolutionise their approach and provide better services and products. 

The change has predominantly been led through major changes globally, in the regulatory space and through competition. New players have come into the space, whether that be Fintech startups or Big Tech companies like Apple, and they are showing the banks that people just want better services.

We are just at the beginning of fundamental shifts in banking and financial services. 

How Did You Get the Business off the ground?

David: We’ve taken no money. From month three of founding the organisation we were profitable. This pre revenue nonsense is definitely not for me. I don't think you can call it a business unless it makes profit and makes revenue. Call me old fashioned on that one. But for me, it's all about creating something of value for people. And if you do that then you should be able to monetise it.  

There have been key moments where we have been very lucky and times when we have been ballsy. Episode One of Fintech Insider is an example. We had no listeners and no idea how we were editing the show, but managed to get a sponsor because they believed in what we were doing.

The first client of 11:FS Pulse was brought in as a partner before the product even existed. DNB invested in Foundry when it was no more than 11 slides.

We've been lucky to find people who believe in what we are doing, are probably as crazy as us and share the same vision, which is awesome. But ultimately our success comes down to creating things that are of great value to our clients.

You have an incredible line up of talent in the business, how have you attracted them to 11:FS? 

David: I'm 39 years old now. Entrepreneurs my age can attract the right talent more effectively than people who are starting out a lot younger.  You build up a network of people over your career where you think I don't know when, but we're gonna work together again.

I met Jason Bates (11:FS cofounder) back when he was at Starling, I was still at Gartner. I knew with Jason we'd work together at some point. Similar to Ryan Wareham, our COO. We worked really well together when I was at Lloyds Banking. 

You get a feel for people in terms of their unique strengths. If there is a pre existing relationship you already have an understanding of each other. From there you build a founding team.

Beyond that, I honestly think success is fundamentally about momentum. One success leads to another success, which over time creates a magnetic pull where you attract the right people. 

 

Have you found the Fintech Insider podcast is a good tool for talent attraction and bringing in new business?

David: Yeah, 100%. It’s crazy, we get hundreds of emails from people interested in working with us either as employees, partners or clients. At the beginning of the company you're five people sitting around a table trying to figure out how you can compete with Accenture and McKinsey.

We couldn't outspend them from a marketing perspective. So, we decided to out play them with brutal authenticity and a level of distribution that would create a fundamentally different way of engaging with our customer base. 

We set out asking;
'How can we be authentic? How can we be provocative? How can we really establish human connections with the brand? '

David M. Brear 11:FS

Even now we could not reach the amount of people that we do with the level of content marketing that we put out using our competitors marketing approach. We have focused so much on brand narrative, it’s not about the products or services we offer. Our brand narrative is fundamentally about what we believe in and our values. 

When you align with people on your belief system or your aspiration about what the industry could be, then you find a higher level of connectivity that you can never achieve by sending out a bullshit brochure. 

What kind of team and culture are you building?

David: 11:FS is my first CEO role. I have worked for some really good CEOs and one or two really bad ones in the past. But I’ve probably learned more from the really bad CEOs, especially on what not to do when it comes building a winning culture!

The 11:FS culture is based on servant leadership. We are not a hierarchical company and believe bad and good ideas can come from anywhere. Whether it's bad ideas coming from the very top or good ideas coming from anybody across the organisation.

Trust is a huge thing from my perspective as a leader. If you have 360 degree trust of your people in the business then there is a positive intent running through the whole company. 

When it comes to leadership I don’t consider myself a businessman. I'm more of a sports guy. So, I always look to bring the same mentality of a very successful sports team into the 11:FS team culture.

I think there's an honesty to sports that is often very much missing within the business world. Transparency and accountability are key to a sports team.

If somebody's playing badly on the team, they know and you know really quickly. There is nowhere to hide, but as a sports team you'll do everything you can to increase the productivity of the team and increase the impact you can make from an individual perspective.

With sports teams it is as much about psychology as it is physiology. And I think that is missing in the business world. 

How do you motivate the team?

Good leaders really understand that it's not really about them. It's about what they can do to get the best out of everybody else around them.

Whether it's creating a sense of urgency, whether it's creating a vision and reinforcing it until the goal is reached, whether it's giving people a level of motivation to run through walls they wouldn't have tried to do before. 

In big organisations leadership stops being about getting the best out of the people and focuses on managing the board or managing a group of shareholders.

And that's where I think you start to see a significant drop in the productivity of people within an organisation. And unfortunately, it's where you start to see an almost unrecoverable position from a cultural perspective.

 

How to scale a Fintech - Tips on hiring

Fintech founders know more than most, the damage caused by making the wrong hire. Especially when a company is in the earlier stages of growth.

Since launching in 2016, Tier One People has interviewed over 300 leaders on how to scale a Fintech.

We've gained a lot of insights on how and how not to hire for rapid and sustainable growth.

Startlingly our research and data suggest less than 1% of founders have a professional background in HR/People/Culture. While only 10% of Fintech startups we interviewed have a dedicated HR/People executive in place.

Hiring is one of the most complex challenges facing every business. So it stands to reason that with no HR expertise to lean on, startups are at risk of suffering major growth challenges in hiring, employee retention, performance and culture.

With 300 plus founder interviews and over 150 successful leadership hires to learn from, here's our list of actionable steps to help founders hire successfully and avoid the growing/scaling pains.

 

Plan before hiring.

Founders tend to put more thought, effort, planning and commitment into raising capital than hiring the right talent. The two are intertwined, without a great team, you will struggle to raise the capital to grow.

A well-thought-out people strategy should be part of your business plan from day one. If you are promising to deliver cutting-edge technology and don't have the talent on board to deliver, you will fail your investors and fail your people.

Our research shows three distinct phases of growth for a Fintech.

Getting from 1 - 50 people can seem easy. But this is where all future growth and cultural problems are created. So it is essential to get phase one right if you plan to avoid the growing pains and scale effectively.

Each stage requires a different people strategy. But for the purpose of this article, we are going to focus on the Startup phase.

And if you are a startup, please don't just copy the Netflix, Google, Amazon or Facebook playbook. These are some of the largest businesses in the world with thousands of employees and unlimited resources, you are a startup!

 

Finding great people is easy - hiring them is tough.

If you are running a Fintech startup, finding the time to recruit yourself is tough and using recruitment companies is expensive (and delivers very mixed results.) Technology and social media have made finding potential candidates a lot easier. The challenge lies in engaging, assessing and hiring the right people.

 

Think of potential hires as customers.

Just like your customers, top talent has a lot of options. Why would a top performer be interested in working with you? What is unique about you and the business you are creating? Just as you have created a brand to attract the right customers, create a brand that attracts the right employees.

What is the genuine purpose of your business? If your plan is to build a rocket ship and sell in 5 years, make that clear. Top talent will see right through any false claims of 'changing the world' or 'democratising finance' 

If you have a clear purpose, then your talent attraction strategy should mirror your customer acquisition strategy. 

 

Develop a list of core values.

If you are the business owner/founder, honesty and transparency is critical for this process to work. It is important you analyse your own values and behaviors, as they will ultimately define the company culture.

'The culture of any organisation is determined by the worst behavior the CEO is prepared to tolerate, in themselves and others.'

I've had many discussions on culture, this quote from Evan Wong, CEO of award-winning Regtech startup Checkbox really nailed it for me;

 

Culture has the biggest impact on retaining talent, especially if you’re a startup. If you’re a startup with a crap culture, then you are a crap business and a crap place to work. As founders you need to work out exactly what your culture is going to be.

Get your vision, your purpose and your values set early days. The values of your company must flow from the values of the founders. I feel very strongly about this.

 

Read the full interview with Evan

 

Hire for your current business NOT the future.

A startup business can be very different to a scaleup. At each step, you require different people with different skills, expertise and experience. Often times the people required to launch a business are not the same people required to grow the business.

Early employees will have a shorter life cycle with the business and that is natural. Cultural issues often occur when people hang around too long because of loyalty. You need to plan how the business will grow and identify the skills, experience and people you need to deliver each growth stage.

In the early stages of growth, it may be necessary to hire on skills and experience over culture fit, especially in the short term when delivery is critical to the survival of the business. Startups rarely have the luxury of enforcing a 'No Dickheads' policy especially when it comes to hard to find skills. In this instance (and this may come across as ruthless) the best strategy can be to hire fast and fire fast.

 

Create opportunity descriptions - Not job descriptions.

How do you create a job description when the role will continue to evolve as you rapidly grow the business? If you regularly struggle to come up with a job description, then this could be the reason why.

It may comfort you to know that the right person for the role does not expect a job description. What they are looking for is an opportunity to take something and make their mark.

Keep in mind the person you need to hire is likely to be in a great role already. Moving to a smaller business just to do the same job is not a compelling proposition.

At Tier One People we don't work from job descriptions and instead work with our clients to create opportunity descriptions.

Rather than creating a job description, listing daily tasks and responsibilities. Try creating an opportunity description with a set of goals, targets and accomplishments to be achieved within a specific time frame. For example:

Rather than a list of bullets on A4 PDF, try creating a pitch deck for the opportunity description. Or even better a video presentation. Bringing the opportunity to life helps engage the right people and can often turn around a candidate who may not be interested.

Sell the legacy, not the job!


Get absolutely clear on the type of person you want to hire.

You know what the new hire needs to accomplish. Now start to build a picture of the ideal person for the business. What qualities, behaviors and values will they demonstrate on a consistent basis? What characteristics are required to be a success in the business? What is the dynamic of the current team?

What kind of experience will they need to deliver? Which kinds of companies will they work at?

Contemplate where your new hire fits in the business 6 months, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 years from now.

Hubspot has a handy tool to help build customer personas, try using it to build the ideal candidate persona - you will likely find there are three or four archetypes for the role. This means you can begin searching for people in more efficient ways than keyword searches.

 

Use your networks.

Approximately 90% of Tier One People hires come via our networks. It costs nothing and candidates come pre-endorsed, massively reducing time and massively decreasing the risks of making the wrong hire.


LinkedIn - The biggest candidate database on the planet.

Linkedin is an excellent platform to generate candidate leads. But posting "We're Hiring. Looking for Rockstar developers" and expecting results is madness. It's just lazy marketing.

Advertising a job on the platform isn't the answer either.

Think of LinkedIn as the perfect marketing platform. On here you can advertise a job, but you can also share posts, content, podcasts and videos. 

Creating thought leadership content is the way forward as it helps you build followers and develop a community. 

Tier One People's content strategy generates 10-20 inbound inquiries per day from high-caliber, Fintech talent. 

Engaging your network via content massively increases the response rate to reach outs. Since launching our podcast we have seen response rates from potential candidates go from 15% to 80%


Asking for recommendations.

If you do decide to ask your network for recommendations and referrals, the most effective way is to ask for their opinion.

Rather than ask

"Who is looking?" or "Do you know anyone?"

ask

"If you were looking to hire someone to do blank, who is the first person you would approach?".

 

Influencer Marketing.

Guests of Fintech Chatter Podcast often have talent approach them directly about potential opportunities.

The reality is people buy people, not brands. That's why influencer marketing can be so effective in talent acquisition. 

Founders who actively promote their business on TV, Podcasts, Youtube, Instagram and events can play a big role in attracting the right talent.

The best founders we work with never turn down a chance to appear on the podcast. 

 

Ask your clients.

Everybody loves to help out a smaller business. Contact your clients and ask if they can recommend someone. You get an opportunity to call them about something and subtly advertise the fact you are growing and successful. Great PR and you may find your next hire.


 

Advertise fulfillment, not the job.

Tier One People use job boards sparingly as a channel to attract talent. Advertising isn't that effective for specialist roles and in-demand talent. If you do decide to go down the job board route, the quality of copy in your ad will determine your success. Most job ads suck because they just list a heap of responsibilities.

When writing the ad try to put yourself in a potential hire's shoes. What would attract them to this opportunity and your business? Don't advertise the job itself but use the opportunity description you created.

While most people will state that work/life balance, money, an equity stake, location, benefits, free bar or ping pong tables as attractions - the biggest attraction is the challenge or opportunity to make a difference.

Present potential hires with a compelling vision to create their legacy.

If you decide to advertise your opportunities on job boards, expect to receive lots of irrelevant applicants. It can be a lottery finding the right person using traditional advertising methods.

However, by positioning your ad this way you will increase the chances of attracting the right person.

 

The blue-eyed unicorn will not come looking for you.

It is highly likely you will need to proactively search if you want great people to join your startup. Tier One People is a Search business. We have to go out and find the right people and tap them on the shoulder.

In many searches, we may approach 100 people or more before we find the right match. Headhunting is an art and there are certain steps you can follow that will make you more effective.

Here's some of the basics:

 

Use a CRM tool.

Linkedin's recruiter lite solution for AUS $200 per month may be a good option. But not everyone is an active user of Linkedin and responses to emails from the platform run at about a 10% hit rate (without a comprehensive content strategy to support the campaign).

You could use your current CRM or plain old Excel to track potential targets. There are loads of free tools out there like Hubspot, Insightly, Zoho. If you are a fan of Airtable you could also use this free template

 

Get creative with your searches.

Who are your competitors, which companies do you admire and want to emulate? Create a target list and then go connecting with people from these companies.

Linkedin, Twitter, Facebook, Glassdoor, any social media platform is a good way to find potential candidates. A plain old google search can bring up some great results too.

If you are looking for developers, start communicating with people on sites such as Github, Reddit, Discord.

Follow this simple philosophy, fish where the fish are.

 

Follow up religiously.

If someone responds to your direct approach, make sure you answer back. Begin a dialogue and suggest catching up over a coffee or a call.

What if you approach people direct and there is no response?

Send a polite follow-up email three days later. The initial email usually gets a 1/10 hit rate; the follow-up gets a 3/10 hit rate.

Want a 100% hit rate? Go old school, either track down their phone number or find a mutual connection to introduce you. You will be guaranteed an introduction.

 

Connect even if you are not hiring.

If you are a Fintech founder, you should always be recruiting. Events and conferences are a great way to meet people who could be future employees.

Most people you reach out to won’t be interested in a move, that's how it is. In some instances, it's a matter of timing. If you do find great people, it is up to you to start building a relationship. Don't go acting all aloof and difficult to reach. Give someone the impression your time is more important than theirs and you have lost them.

Consider hiring like dating. You are trying to build a relationship over time. Reach out every three months or so, invite people to office functions, connect on Linkedin, ask them for advice in their specialist area. Make them feel wanted and special, and when the time is right, they will ask you for a job.

If you meet people at networking events, don't connect and forget.

 

Don't interview candidates.

When you go out on dates do you go armed with a bunch of questions and start interrogating your date? Or do you start the conversation with the intent of establishing a connection?

Make the interview like a date and you are likely to hire people who are far better suited to your business and culture. The whole aim of the interview is to connect with people on a human level, not interrogate them.

There is research to prove traditional/competency-based interviews are one of the least effective ways to identify suitable talent. Why is that? It turns out the skills required to do well in an interview are often not the skills required to be a success in the job.

Businesses are literally hiring the best 'story teller' and then wondering where it all went wrong. I highly recommend reading Work Rules! By Laszlo Bock (HR director of Google.)

You should aim for three interview stages minimum (if it is a permanent hire.) One of those stages should involve potential colleagues/peers, ideally in a social setting. The goal is to ensure that everyone feels comfortable with the dynamic.

In my experience, a technical test, presentation or pitch relevant to the position is the best indicator of potential. Treat this stage as an audition for the job. It takes planning, but it is well worth the effort.

 

Always go with your gut feel.

The only evidence I can give to support this advice is that I have never met anyone who regretted going with their gut feel. However, I have met hundreds of people who have regretted going against it!

There is scientific data showing gut feel is our brain processing sensory data we are receiving from a perceived threat. If what we are sensing is not congruent with what we are seeing or hearing then the 'fight or flight'  reaction comes into play.

To put it in layman's terms, the candidate you are about to offer is telling you what we want to hear and isn’t necessarily sharing their full story.

 

Should I take references?

References provide limited insight of a potential hire's chances of success in the role, unless you know the referee. A reference without context is useless, but a reference with context can be the difference between hiring a dud or a superstar.

If the references are not perfect, it may be that you need to have another discussion with the candidate. They could have concerns too, and it is better to give them a “get out of jail free card” so they can withdraw from the opportunity before it is too late.

 

And finally - If all else fails.

You could always contact Tier One People and ask for our help.

info@tieronepeople.com

 

Fintech Hiring Market Update

"There is a lot of uncertainty in the market which is concerning for business leaders. A Royal Commission, open banking, a looming Brexit, a general election, Apple moving into financial services, Libra. All of these things are weighing on executives minds."

Will the fintech platform we are building today be relevant 12 months from now?

Technology and global markets seem to be moving so fast, most executives are struggling to keep pace. Couple that with the changing regulatory landscape and looking further than 12 months into the future is creating indecision. When decisions are finally made, the market has moved on, the goal posts have changed and so the process starts all over again!

Is The Fintech Hiring Market Stalling?

The answer is no if we look at investment numbers. But we are entering a new evolution, Fintech 2.0 and the platform play. The pressure is on for founders and executives to deliver to investors and shareholders. The challenge for scaling Fintechs appears to be plateauing top line growth or even an obsolete product/business model.

Most Fintech to date are apps/features or middle layer software solutions. But with the emergence of 'Super Apps' like Revolut the competition is becoming much tougher. And customers expectations are rising.

When it comes to scaling the business two options are most often considered. Grow geographically (Cover Genius and AfterPay have taken this approach) or pivot domestically. To pivot successfully requires two things; new products and people to drive the sales of new products.

Pivots are not exclusive to scaling startups. We see an increasing demand for Fintech talent from corporations pivoting their own product lines. Some are even reinventing their business models. Some examples include FSI’s, Insurers and Software companies.

Based on our assessment of the market there is significant demand for two profiles from Fintech.

Chief Product Officer/Head of Product.

Founders and business leaders seem to be crying out for commercial product managers with the ability to deliver the killer product. Indeed, the EY/Fintech Australia Census 2019 highights Product/Market Fit as the number one challenge for Fintech.

Product areas appear well stocked with those who can project manage. Strategic and commercial acumen seems to be in short supply, leading to months wasted on product development before a market fit has been established. Business leaders dream of applying Lean Startup Principles. While Product teams seem obsessed with following Agile rather than being Agile.

What is the answer?


2019 has seen an increase in Head of Product and a Chief Product Officer searches at Tier One People. We sourced 75% of shortlisted candidates domestically. 25% were international candidates. However, it is a 50/50 split on domestic and international hires made.

Based on the client feedback, it was felt international candidates demonstrated clearer commercial thinking. Most importantly, talent could point to several examples in which they had taken a product from idea to revenue generation, at scale.

It seems the product management community is acutely aware of the problem. Read this excellent blog post by Adrienne Tan https://brainmates.com.au/product-management/cut-out-product-management/

Sales Director/Head of Partnerships.

Revenue growth is hard to come by and the pressure is beginning to show signs. The sizzle of Fintech has attracted a lot of investment. Indeed 2018 saw an all time record for Fintech investment in Australia. And with the additional investment come higher expectations.

I wrote of this phenomenon three years ago, when SaaS businesses went on huge hiring sprees for business development managers.

We are seeing increased demand for people who can bring in new business. Especially significant corporate partnerships that will make an immediate and long term impact on revenue growth.

B2B sales is complex. Deals can take anywhere from 6 - 18 months. B2B2C deals may not take as long, but with API integration to be factored in, there is a heavy dose of project management required to onboard any new client. Deals are fragile and complex with technology and regulatory roadblocks often leading to months of work being wasted.

The market is reacting with an increasing demand for Partnerships Directors. These are rare people indeed. A Partnerships Director must possess the hustle and entrepreneurial drive of a sales person. But with empathy/relationship building and well developed project management skills. If that wasn’t difficult enough to find, strong product knowledge and hands on operational experience is considered essential to the role.

Tier One People have had success sourcing talent from the UK and US markets which are more accustomed to this model.

Design Thinking For Hiring.

Our clients seem to be experiencing better outcomes by adopting a design thinking approach to hiring. Over the last year we have been working with a small group of trusted clients on a new approach to recruitment. It has been so successful that two clients saved close to $500,000.

If you would like to find out more, get in touch to organise a consultation.

Busting Startup Hiring Myths

If you are a Fintech leader, you will probably agree that hiring great people can sometimes feel like an impossible task.

Since launching in 2016, Tier One People has interviewed hundreds of Fintech leaders. These frank discussions on the challenges of growing and scaling a startup sometimes can contradict the popular advice from Silicon Valley.  We have researched and analysed the hiring strategies of Google, Facebook, Netflix and other tech firms and see some major flaws in following the strategies for a startup in Australia.

Let's bust some hiring myths.

Hire for culture fit.

Katherine McConnell is Founder and CEO of Brighte. She is recognised as the Outstanding FinTech leader in Australia and was named in the Top 10 most influential women in Fintech globally. Katherine had this to say about hiring on culture fit.

Today we’re able to attract great people because of the brand, our investors and the fact we are a solid business. But a year ago, no one had heard of Brighte.

Attracting great people to a start-up is very difficult. You don’t have much leverage. Hiring based on values is nice but not always possible. Now Brighte is established we absolutely recruit on values and cultural alignment.

Initially I hired people based on technical expertise. I had to take a gamble on whether the person would work out or not. We just had to build the platform and get it done. The advice I was given was ‘hire slow, fire fast’ but in a startup sometimes you have to hire fast and fire slow. As a leader you have to make tough decisions.


Hire based on proven experience.

Martin McCann is CEO and Cofounder of Trade Ledger, winner of FinTech Startup of the year 2019. Trade Ledger is rapidly scaling with offices in Sydney and London.

We don’t focus on people’s experience or their background, we focus on whether or not they would fit well with the team or will they be disruptive in the team. We prefer to hire people with high potential or high propensity for success.

What we’ve found is interesting. People who are under-experienced, properly motivated and show high potential are a much better fit for this organisation than people who’ve got proven experience.

People with high potential fit the way we work. They want to get ahead quickly, they appreciate the opportunity to be able to contribute and to learn. And they understand the value it creates for them as an asset that differentiates them in the market.

Create a culture where there is no fear of failure.

Vincent Turner is Founder of Uno Home Loans. He is a Fintech veteran now on his third startup. Vincent spent five years in Silicon Valley, setting up the Valleys first ever Fintech Meetup. Vincent had this to say about failure.

We are a consumer focused fintech, so our culture is driven by discovery and big ideas. You can conduct focus groups, give customers a prototype, let them observe it, but that customer will act differently when you ship the product. To get to something that works is an act of discovery

The team is encouraged to come up with extraordinary ideas and to test them out. Then we make a frank evaluation of what worked and what didn’t. We don’t talk about failure at uno. Failure is when you are reckless in the way you try things. But an experimentation-led culture, where you can call out what works and what doesn’t, is the absolute mainstay for any customer centric business.

Millennials are hard to motivate.

George Lucas is CEO of Raiz Invest and ASX listed investment platform that helps people save and invest automatically. The app has been a big hit with millenials and George applies the same approach to customers as he does managing his team.

Raiz has gained a lot of traction with Millennials, more than 900,000 people have downloaded the app and we are managing more than $250 million in funds.


We have developed a lot of loyalty within our customer base. Engagement is key and we are always listening to our customers. If you look at our product development releases to date, some examples being Raiz Kids, Raiz Rewards, My Finance and most recently Raiz Super, it has all been driven by our customers.

Maybe the difficulties other finance companies experience tapping into the Millennial market are self-inflicted? Let’s face it, Financial Services in Australia is heavily dominated by middle-aged men. We have seen several instances in the last twelve months where young people feel the people in power are out of touch with the modern world.

Rather than lecturing our customers on whether they should spend their money on Avo and Toast, we are providing them with the tools to save for a home deposit, or a holiday, or their kids school fees. Millennials are no different to any other customer. Just listen, give them what they need and treat them with respect.

We have adopted the same approach with our people who seem to enjoy the challenges of a FinTech startup. I listen and provide my team with the tools to do their job. Then I let them get on with it. Its a very laid back environment, we don’t manage people, no one comes in to work in a suit and tie, we’re not that type of financial services organisation. We have a mutual respect for each other. And I am learning so much from our people. It’s a very young business, most of our people are under the age of 30. And they seem to be laughing a lot, so they can’t be that unhappy!

Startups can’t compete for exceptional talent.

Alex Badran is Co-Founder of SpriggyFintech Startup of the year. By adopting a Lean Startup approach to hiring, Spriggy has managed to assemble a diverse group of highly talented people, while bootstrapping the business.

We have brilliant people in the team and a very eclectic mix of backgrounds. My co-founder is a physicist and an electrical engineer. Our CTO has been building apps ever since apps were around. Our CMO is a software engineer, one of our software engineers has a medical degree and our customer success lead used to be a geneticist.

We have managed to hire remarkably talented people who are great people, not just intelligent. They work hard, they care about what they do, they care about the people around them and they care about our customers.


This might sound simple, but talented people want to work with talented people who share the same values and ethics. That’s it. Sure, our people have flexibility, equity and all the advantages of working in a startup, but they are not the key motivators for joining.

Our people really buy into the Spriggy mission too. I love coming to work, and I learn so much from our team, every day. They are just amazing to be around. I am sure it will become harder to hire exceptional people as we scale, but right now, hiring talent isn’t a challenge for us.

So, what is the best approach to hiring for a startup?

We wish there were a rule-book for hiring, but every business is different. The one thing all of our interviews have in common? Each leader took their own course and made their own decisions. None followed ‘the Google way’ or ‘the Amazon way’.

Our advice is to go with your gut feel. Instead of focusing on finding the perfect match, focus on the business problem you are trying to solve. You may find there are alternative solutions to hiring. Or as we find in most instances with clients, the person you think you want is not the person you need to hire.

If you are in the process of hiring and want to get some advice contact Dexter or Joanne, info@tieronepeople.com