Dexter Cousins on Fintech Insider podcast


The rise of Australian digital banking.

Our good friends at 11:FS kindly invited Dexter Cousins on Fintech Insider Podcast. We think it is a pretty special show , especially as the focus is on Australian Fintech.

Simon Taylor heads up a great panel of guests to talk all about digital banking in the Asia Pacific region. With a special focus on Australia, we take a look at how far the industry has come, competition from Australia's 'big four' incumbents, and what the future holds for digital banks in the region.

Dexter is joined by fellow guests

Jonny Wilkinson - Equitise

Equitise - The crowdfunding platform which simplifies the investment marketplace.

Jonny Wilkinson is co-founder of Equitise. Equitise is a crowdfunding platform which simplifies the investment marketplace. It removes traditional barriers to investing in sourcing capital by making the process quick, easy and safe. Enabling your average Aussie to invest in early stage startups like Xinja. Jonny shares his personal journey of launching the business and gives his views on the investment market. 

Tier One People’s Dexter Cousins chats to Jonny about his own journey with the business and the future for Equitise.

Can you tell us about Equitise?

We are an investment platform for unlisted companies to raise funds via crowdfunding. Essentially we make it possible for everyday investors to put a relatively small amount of money into supporting startup businesses. The idea for Equitise began in 2014 in a pub at a mates birthday. My co-founder Chris (Gilbert) were both chatting about wanting to get out of our corporate gig. We both had some knowledge of the potential changes taking place in crowd funding both regionally and globally and figured we'd go for it.  The next morning we weren't sure what was going to happen. Nursing a sore head, scrolling through my newsfeed I was drawn to something which was to become the precursor to the H2 accelerator. 

Equitise helped Xinja equity fund raise. What was the experience like?

Xinja was the very first retail, equity crowdfunding deal done after the laws changed and the exact same day our licence was granted. The 11th January 2018 was the day we launched with Xinja. It went gangbusters, beyond our wildest expectations. I didn't leave my desk other than go to the bathroom a couple times on that day. We ended up raising about $2.5 - $3 million for them.

Could you tell us a little bit more about some of the other businesses you work with?

We’ve been extremely lucky to work with some great businesses including Car Next Door, GoCatch and Endeavour Brewing, a boutique beer label. We've helped lots of companies raise money, not just once, but a second or third time. To date we've carried out 74 raises for 65 companies over the past few years. In total that equates to approximately $45 million.

What kind of response have you had from investors?

It’s been nothing short of amazing. When we set out on this mission we needed companies and investors to enable us to fulfill our wish to make investing more open and transparent to every investor.  Buying into a VC fund costs on average $250,000, which puts it beyond reach for the average investor. With Equitise, investors require, on average just $250, which provides opportunity for most people to build a portfolio. They can back some amazing, exciting businesses with the potential to grow tremendously and potentially provide great returns.

The ability to invest is also great for the economy. Crowdfunding allows companies who are innovative and small the ability to grow and create future employment. Equity crowdfunding helps underpin the early stage capital markets. We're very passionate about being able to offer investing opportunities to everyone.

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Have you got any theories as to why we're seeing this huge rise in stock markets?

A number of factors are in play. Stock markets are trying to predict the future, and COVID-19 has thrown things into disarray lately. Previous downturns like the GFC were a top down structural issue, which slowly unwound and devalued a whole lot of assets. 

What we are seeing now is a supply/demand, bottom up driven outcome. The opportunity for the economy and indeed the world to switch back on and return to normal is much greater. 

There is more money in the world today than ever before. In recent years people are most likely reassessing their situation. 

We're very lucky to have extremely mature superannuation industry in Australia, with a figure in the region of $2.6 trillion AUD. This is a huge amount of money to underpin the economy with. Nine and a half percent of the gross national income in Australia is deposited into superannuation funds each month. 

If there aren't any new issuances on the ASX, most of the focus and allocation of a lot of these assets is towards Australian stocks. The asset prices will just get pushed up. Which means the ASX keeps on growing even if there isn't commensurate, actual growth in the underlying companies on the ASX.

Do you think that the ease of investing and access to all of these opportunities is creating a paradigm shift?

Without a doubt it’s quicker and easier for people to take these opportunities now. Opening an account can all be achieved in a few minutes. The speed in which it can be achieved allows people to seize on opportunities. If you're sitting on cash or you’re looking to rotate your asset allocation it's a tremendous time to be alive. 

I recall a time back at Citibank, when we were trying to set up some Australian institutional clients it was an arduous process.  The steps and the forms needed to set up trading in the US was quite involved. Whereas these days individuals can do it in a matter of minutes and lots of the processes are automated.

"I'm never going to try and start another business where I need to get laws changed!"

jonny wilkinson equitise

Can you tell us more about the Equitise journey?

In 2014, H2 accelerator accepted Equitise into their accelator programme. Legislation was expected to change in a relatively short period of time, 6 to 12 months at most. Then we had a change of government and the time frame changed overnight, we had no end date in sight.

Having quit our jobs, borrowed money and building the investment platform, we didn't know what to do. 

We had always planned that Equitise would be an Asia Pacific company eventually, starting in Australia, New Zealand then Asia. The order changed. We jumped on a plane to New Zealand and started cold calling people, sending emails and LinkedIn connections. 

Chris and I quickly followed up with meetings. Venture capitalists, angel investors, lawyers, accountants, basically anyone who we thought might be interested in investing. When we met with the regulator they were very encouraging. And after a brief board meeting (Chris and I were the only two board members at that time) we decided to launch in New Zealand first.

I got on a plane the next day and moved to New Zealand for 18 months. We got the business quickly set up and licenced.

In Australia the process to get the legislation changed to allow for equity crowdfunding, was pretty arduous. We had to lobby the government and the opposition and took trips to Canberra a few times. It took a lot of time and pushing from different angles. 

FinTech Australia has been an amazing platform for us to help get access and lobby the government. I was lucky enough to be put on a FinTech advisory panel to the government, which opened up another avenue for us. We had to work with ASIC making sure we put regulations in place to get licensed in Australia before we finally got the go ahead. I'm never going to try and start another business where I need to get laws changed!

How many people do you have in the business?

We now have ten people in the business split fairly equally across technology, marketing, deals and management working collaboratively within the business. Our marketing team also works with each of the companies we are raising money for, as well as doing the broader Equitise marketing. 

How does it feel making such a significant impact on the startup community? 

It’s amazing and we're very proud of what we have achieved. It gets us out of bed every day. We get to speak to amazing people doing tremendous things. When we see the companies we help continue to grow, it's very rewarding.

Private companies are the lifeblood of the economy, they drive growth and employment. 

The second company we ever raised money for in New Zealand works in a pretty niche space providing financial products to retirees.  They don't think they would have been able to go on had we not helped them with their first raise. They now have more than $250 million funds under management and we’ve raised for them four or five times.

Have you got any exciting deals in the pipeline  you can mention at the stage?

We've got lots of exciting things coming up, which we've been holding off on due to COVID-19. This has allowed us to build an exciting new platform where we’ve built the technology from scratch. We have launched Bricklet, which is a fractionalized property play. We've got a bakery business producing authentic, certified organic, whole food. 

Humaniti is  a personal finance offering where you can actually earn money.  There's a lot of exciting things coming through in the short term and we’re busy stacking the pipe with some exciting stuff coming for the second half of the year.

Ep 07: Eric Wilson, Xinja

Eric Wilson is CEO of Xinja, one of Australia's first Neo Banks. It's been a massive month for the business. An Aus $433m capital raise, record deposits - Xinja is a bank that is growing so fast, they have literally had to turn customers away!

I talk to Eric about the highlights of the last two years at Xinja. We also talk about hiring the right talent at the right time and the skills you need to go from Banker to Neo Banker.

Find out more www.xinja.com.au

FinTech Summit 2018

Tuesday 16th October 2018. The 5th FinTech Summit took place in Sydney. An all-star line-up of FinTech leaders and a sell-out crowd made this the best FinTech Summit yet.

The topics of open banking, the rise of challenger banks, the recurring themes of raising capital and hiring talent were all debated. But the prominent themes of the day were integrity, ethics and genuine care for customers.

There was a real sense of excitement in the room, with the audience recognising we are at the beginning of a new era in FinTech. Presentations by UP Bank and Xinja demonstrated the differences between a digital challenger bank and a neo bank.

Using ground breaking technology, Up (challenger bank) have taken an established bank and re-imagined the banking experience based on the premise 'living not banking.'

Xinja (neo bank), on the other hand are building a totally new bank and new products, using technology to 'bring humanity back into banking.'

Two very different angles, two very different visionaries but two people united in making Australian banking the best in the world.

A panel discussion with challengers Volt Bank, Athena Home Loans, Douugh and Judo Capital and a final presentation by Martin McCann of Trade Ledger painted an exhilarating future for Aussie FinTech. In 12 months time Australian consumers could be spoilt for choice.


Celebrating the success stories of Australian FinTech

David Hancock of AfterPay opened the FinTech Summit with a fantastic presentation on customer trust. AfterPay has a market cap of AUS $2.6bn and is without doubt Australia's greatest FinTech success story to date. The global growth story is astonishing, even Kylie Jenner wants AfterPay for her cosmetics business!

The paradigm shift in risk management, based on trust and customer care, has played a big role in AfterPay's success. Social platforms, technology and access to data have all enabled the rapid growth and adoption of new business models. His words of advice to the major banks were

“The cost of mistrusting people is significantly higher than the value of mistrusting people.”

Katherine McConnell, CEO and Founder of Brighte shared her journey. Incredible to think exactly three years ago, Katherine arrived at Stone & Chalk with a vision and a laptop. Today, Brighte has written approximately AUS $200m in loans, has $90m banking facilities, with investors including Mike Cannon-Brookes and AirTree Ventures.

The 10x vision for Brighte is to enable the mass adoption of batteries in the home and play a pivotal role in making Australia a clean energy country. Despite all the success and awards, Katherine remains one of the most humble and accessible people in FinTech. It is fantastic to see the continued success of Brighte.


Xinja news and updates

Xinja CEO, Eric Wilson was as passionate as ever in his mission to bring humanity back into banking. We caught up with Eric afterwards where he shared big announcements and a new product release (not Xinja Chocolate.)

Although unable to name names at this stage, expect announcements on high-profile board appointments (rumoured to be Brett King) The series C funding round is coming to a successful close with lots of interest from overseas investors. Talks with regulators are on track. And the core banking system implementation (a world first partnership with SAP) is ahead of schedule. Hopefully all should be announced at the next AGM planned for November.

So, only one questions remains (quote Billy Zane in Zoolander)

‘Eric, when you gonna drop Android on us buddy?’

Soon!


Values and culture are your business

The afternoon event consisted of 4 break out sessions on open banking, raising capital, regtech and compliance. Yours truly chaired a panel discussion with Kylie Vitale of Volt Bank, Kristen Holmes of Zip and Will Blott of Cover Genius. Three highly progressive People and Culture leaders with a pioneering approach to scaling businesses through Values and Culture. The value of hiring a People and Culture specialist in the early stages of growth is huge.


Open banking and the future of Australian FinTech

Martin McCann of Tradeledger ended what was an energetic event with a rallying call to action on open banking.

“If we make Banking as a Service a success, we could unleash Aussie financial muscle on international markets, on a scale never seen before”

What a fantastic message to end a landmark day.

My closing thoughts? Open banking is a once in a century opportunity for Australians. For the future of Australia and our ability to compete on a global scale, we simply cannot allow open banking to become the exclusive domain of the big four banks. Scott Morrison has asked the FinTech community not to screw it (open banking) up. Today, the FinTech community fired the same message straight back to the PM.